Reds back election, charter poll

The United front for Democracy against Dictatorship supports the planned general election on Feb 2, UDD chairwomen Thida Thavornseth said on Sunday.

Speaking at the government-sponsored reform forum on “Which Way Thailand Will Go”, held at the Queen Sirikit Convention Centre, Mrs Thida said the red shirt group also wanted a national referendum on constitutional amendments at the same time as the general election.

She said the UDD opposed the 2007 charter which was an outcome of the Sept 2006 military coup.

The UDD chairperson stated that she also disagreed with the proposal by anti-government protest leader Suthep Thaugsuban that an appointed people’s council be set up and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra step down to end political turmoil.

Mrs Thida said the premier should continue performing her duty to protect the law and the democratic system.

UDD co-leader Jatuporn Prompan said at the same forum that members of the parliament must come from a democratic election, otherwise the country would never be able to get out of the political crisis.

Mr Jatuporn said the proposals on the people’s council and an impartial prime minister were unconstitutional as they are not stipulated in the charter.

The armed forces had learned from past experience that a military coup is not the solution to the political problem and therefore they supported the Feb 2 election, he said.

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Discussion 1 : 16/12/2013 at 03:11 PM
If the democrats or any other opposition party want to beat the PT then they should put forward and instigate policies that will win over the PT voters instead of going on and on and on about thaksin this and thaksin that they never come up with any sensible plan to retake votes start looking after the people and the people will look after you .
Discussion 2 : 16/12/2013 at 01:53 AM
Free TH, you've got evidence that fugitive master pays red supporters for votes. Why don't you make it into a case? Then those people who pay for votes will be Red-carded in election. Paying for votes is not free and fair election.
Discussion 3 : 16/12/2013 at 12:26 AM
A view on the constitutionality of an all elected senate. The 98 charter allowed an all elected senate as did all previous one's. It's only since the adoption of the 07 charter, drawn up by some of the same people sitting on the Constitutional Court, that an all elected Senate is now unconstitutional in Thailand and cannot be changed back.
Discussion 4 : 15/12/2013 at 11:19 PM
Phan, AFDD are a buch of Dubai and UDD lackeys…The CC is a million times more honourable than these lefties...
Discussion 5 : 15/12/2013 at 11:00 PM
Of course reds back new election. They will get paid again for their vote. If YS and TS are not banned from politics, they will continue to pay for votes in the rural, poor, uneducated north east and keep winning undemocratic paid elections.
Discussion 6 : 15/12/2013 at 09:47 PM
The only thing the reds support is their fugitive master and his money…..
Discussion 7 : 15/12/2013 at 09:39 PM
Let me quote the AFDD (an assembly of more than 100 academics): "... In this case, it is apparent that the Constitutional Court accepted and ruled on the petition without the Constitutional basis to do so. Therefore, the Constitutional Court ruling in this case is unconstitutional and cannot be held to be a ruling in the meaning specified in paragraph five, Article 216 of the Constitution. The ruling is meaningless and does not have binding legal consequence on the Parliament, Council of Ministers, Court, or state organs." PTP doesn`t reject the constitution. Tida says the UDD oppose the 2007 constitution. I hope this helps you understand.
Discussion 8 : 15/12/2013 at 08:53 PM
This is just a case of overvalue ones importance. They think PT cannot do without them (true) so UDD can dictate some deal later (wrong). As Bangon wrote, they will be put aside once Thaksin and his PT lackeys are firmly established. I thought Tida and Weng are more clever.
Discussion 9 : 15/12/2013 at 08:05 PM
They are "rejecting" the constitution ? They are rejecting a ruling of the Constitution court. A ruling who says that a senate fully elected by voters is unconstitutional, it has to be partly appointed. On the other hand their political opponent, named Suthep, asks for an not elected "people's council" to govern the country for 8, 10, 15 months nobody clearly knows. Can you explain what's more democratic : a senate fully elected by voters or not elected people's council to govern the country ?
Discussion 10 : 15/12/2013 at 07:56 PM
If the reds and the government do not accept the rulings from the Constitutional Court and opposes the constitution meaning that they don't accept the constitution at all, then they should not be allow the use the constitution as a defense against others that don't share the same view. Rather hypocrite of them really.
Discussion 11 : 15/12/2013 at 07:46 PM
Can someone explain this? If the present government rejected the ruling of the constitution court and opposes the current constitution, why do they keep saying that the anti-government people are un-constitutional? If they are rejecting the constitution, then they have no right to be using the constitution as a defense on what they are doing.
Discussion 12 : 15/12/2013 at 07:45 PM
of course they will, free donuts anyone?
Discussion 13 : 15/12/2013 at 07:32 PM
If a vote takes place on Feb 2nd with no agreed constitutional changes then its back to the old ways and reform will not happen.The country can no longer afford the same corrupt methods.The PTP manifesto stated it would work to ending corruption has it achieved it goal, it has not even started two years on..
Discussion 14 : 15/12/2013 at 06:22 PM
Thida is an interesting fanatic. She is reveling in the electoral process simply because she knows the manipulated outcome. She will spout democracy at all stages during the election which are pre determined. It would be a different story if the narrow voter base was not manipulated. She would then disagree with the result and there would be blood on the streets. (jatuporns words not mine) Look no further than the World bank, Moody's, UNHCR, Human Rights Watch, the environmentalists, the corn farmer, the rubber farmers, academics, global economists and IMF. All denounced by this fanatic.
Discussion 15 : 15/12/2013 at 06:20 PM
If you look at it from a financial point of view, this makes perfectly good sense. It is also the democratic thing to do. However there will need to be timelines set for making the reforms law, that were passed by referendum. Any other proposed Constitutional amendments should also be rolled into the referendum. A law enforcement body, possibly international members included, must be appointed to insure reform policy is turned into law according to the proposed timeline.
Discussion 16 : 15/12/2013 at 06:20 PM
Thida and the red shirts are Thaksins lackeys... this is hardly newsworthy
Discussion 17 : 15/12/2013 at 06:20 PM
Yet another wasted forum. Reminds me of the Blair forum. Only the uneducated would believe this rubbish.
Discussion 18 : 15/12/2013 at 06:11 PM
IMHO, the UDD here is missing a once in a lifetime 'historic' opportunity to profile itself as 'for the people, by the people', distancing itself of a plutocratic nepotistic dictatorship in the make, and is exposing itself to be reduced to a tool that will pe put aside after being used, probably with violence, as happened to Roehm's SA. Do Weng and Thida really have no knowledge of History, or what...? Can't you see the fascists are the ones leading you by the nose to achieve their goals today, comrades, and, later, to the slaughterhouse, when their police and army will be ordered to eliminate you...
Discussion 19 : 15/12/2013 at 05:53 PM
Being from America but with strong ties to Thailand as well since I spend several months here each year, I am reluctant to comment on Thai democracy & politics as that is a Thai concern, not America's. I think most Americans have the view rightly or wrongly that elections define a democracy so there is always the knee jerk response to say we support elections to resolve issues. This is probably a problem where the easy answer is not the best solution as the breach & divide is simply too deep. It strikes me both sides need to now urgently come together to move forward. Perhaps a coalition interim Government with election reform & then election
Discussion 20 : 15/12/2013 at 05:36 PM
So, Mrs Thida and the red shirt group want a national referendum on constitutional amendments at the same time as the general election. What a coincidence. That's exactly what Thaksin and his two sisters want. That's amazing!

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