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Discussion 1 : 04/09/2012 at 04:31 AM

Khun Tookay #37, the goal of bringing in Israeli help is not to put down Southern Muslim, who are being killed too, but to stop the on-going indiscriminate killing by the thousands so far, in order to restore peace, stability, and prosperity.

Discussion 2 : 03/09/2012 at 12:55 AM

Khun Spiceman D#32: Look at my face I am a Semite and can tell my true history without being biases cuz I don't follow any sects of my Arab or Jew heritages. I can tell you more than you read in between Torah and Quran. So don't be fooled by human created books. Lord Buddah said Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words. Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts. Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances, That's whats matter to me not 5700 years claims of fake rights.

Discussion 3 : 02/09/2012 at 11:33 PM

Spiceman, if Thailand were to take the Israelis' advice, there would be apartheid as we currently see in Palestine with walls built all around. And instead of having 5,000 dead, it would be more like a million with ongoing international condemnation and an escalation of violence to follow. Thailand doesn't need apartheid. Thai Muslims in the south already feel marginalized enough and that's part of the problem. Israel's presence or interference would only exasperate the problem.

Discussion 4 : 02/09/2012 at 11:13 PM

spiceman D28 Israelis and Palestinians are the same race, Semites. The Palestinian religious sect known as the Jews abandoned (were driven out of) Palestine thousands of years ago, the remainder of the population stayed put and more others migrated there over the centuries. In the 20th century the Jews returned and were given the land to set up the state of Israel in which they would live with the Palestinian inhabitants, instead the undertook a programme of ethnic cleansing and drove the majority of Palestinians out. To this day these people live in refugee camps and the Israeli government refuses to let them return.

Discussion 5 : 02/09/2012 at 09:41 PM

Spiceman: you can't be serious in suggesting that Thailand bring in Israelis to put down the southern Muslims. Like putting out a fire with gasoline?

Discussion 6 : 02/09/2012 at 09:17 PM

No problem then we who have insurance will see our rates escalate next year to pay for it.It is certain those in charge of defending the country and have failed will not.Talk to them before it is too late, or is it pride that is stopping you.

Discussion 7 : 02/09/2012 at 08:59 PM

domdunnn: words of wisdom. i totally agree with your thoughts on this. spiceman: What are you talking about? Have you ever been to Israel?

Discussion 8 : 02/09/2012 at 08:58 PM

Khun Spiceman D#32 Reveling God's Treasure-Mt. Sinai in KSA movie and others proof nothing but all those artifacts belong to the Pharaos era, Total Egyptian propriety, Jewish are slave laborers who brought from Africa (Uganda-Kenya) at that time before starting their Earthly religion which been copied later by others like Christian & Muslims beside to save the time of course there is no Gods or tooth fairies, those were just primitive fantasies made up by primitive people before we had science, that argument is so full of fail Its sad, but if there were no such thing as religions the world would be happier, multiple wars wouldn't have happened, and gay homosexuals trans people would have rights. Apologizes fro believers.

Discussion 9 : 02/09/2012 at 08:33 PM

For long years the Thai government couldn't lessen the crises there due to mainly financial support to insurgents there from some countries, just a simple measures couldn't be taken by the mighty army how about closing the border with Malaysia for a certain time, monitor wire transfers and confiscate any deposit made without an official legal evidence, provide a heavy Thai military presence in all the 4 southern provinces with intense checking points and issuance of a special IDs with eye and finger prints, Ban the visits of Muslims clerics and any unneeded foreigner there for a year as an example, compensate the families of all innocent death cases, provide attracting awards for any information led to hunt terrorists, win the hearts & minds via aid, compassion and by listening to what they need and flourish their economy.

Discussion 10 : 02/09/2012 at 08:05 PM

Khun Zulu #30, I suggest you watching (on Youtube) "Bible Secret (4/8)-The kingdom of David and Solomon and dating in archeology" by PBS. At 04:11, it says "King David is the earliest biblical figure confirmed by archeology to be historical." Also "Reveling God's Treasure-Mt. Sinai," which should remove any doubt from your mind whether the person of Moses once existed or not. And finally, I am sure you are aware that the 2,700 years old-Dead Sea Scrolls have been found, which contained all 5 Books of Moses in the Old Testament. By the way, it proved to be the exact copy of the Old Testament Book of the Bible we have today, which is a miracle in itself. Your call...?

Discussion 11 : 02/09/2012 at 05:36 PM

Khun Supermax #29, I'll get ZERO commission, but hopefully, my fellow Thais living in the Deep South will stop being murdered indiscriminately by the thousands, as well as, having their homes and businesses blown up again, again, and again...

Discussion 12 : 02/09/2012 at 05:15 PM

spiceman, D28, thre's no proof that Moses, Joshua, and King David are historical figures. Jews are not an ethnic group, it's religion. so called arabs (palestinians) and jews are both the same tribe, semites since ancient times. but anyway, following your argumentation we have to change all borders and relocate the whole human poulation on this planet. let's start with the usa. what have european settlers and africans to do in america? and when you think it to the end, the whole human population should go back to africa where it belongs to. maybe that helps.

Discussion 13 : 02/09/2012 at 04:47 PM

To Spiceman Since three/four months, for each BP articles about southern insurgents, you suggest and insist to bring isreali experts... How much commission will you get ? We are many to get boring of your parrot style !!!!!

Discussion 14 : 02/09/2012 at 04:28 PM

Khun Domdunn #25, I think you hit the nail on the head, as the Israeli are the original "Palestinians," dated back to the time of Moses, Joshua, and King David. It is the reason why Jerusalem is also known as the City of David. The history of the Israelites dated back to at least 3,000 years, while the so-called "Palestinians" only dated back a few decades. I hope your'e surprised why cities in Israel all have Jewish names, since ancient time.

Discussion 15 : 02/09/2012 at 04:10 PM

How many fires, arsons, bombs, deads still need the goverment to declare curfew ????

Discussion 16 : 02/09/2012 at 04:05 PM

spiceman D20 A factor in the success of the Israeli security forces in keeping their country free of violence is that they have the cooperation of pretty much the entire local population. In the South the local people are equally afraid of the insurgents and the army. The smallest rumour of Zionist involvement with the Thai army in the conflict in the South would immediately cause a rush of ordinary citizens to join the ranks of the insurgents. The key is to win the cooperation of the local people.

Discussion 17 : 02/09/2012 at 03:52 PM

spiceman D20 I think you will find that Israel's goal is to be left alone in peace in the Palestinians' homeland.

Discussion 18 : 02/09/2012 at 03:49 PM

jcwilcox D19 There may be 1.5 billion Muslims in the world but only a minuscule percentage of them support the objectives of the terrorists or the use of violence. There actually isn't any evidence of a worldwide Islamic conspiracy, what there are are a number of political operators around the world cloaking themselves with religion to generate support (just as the loyalists and republicans did in N Ireland). There is no evidence that the Southern problem is part of a worldwide conspiracy, it is simply a local ethnic problem cloaking itself in religion. I've not heard any reputable person suggest that the majority of Southerners support the insurgents, the evidence is that they are equally scared of the insurgents and the Thai Army and try to remain uninvolved by sitting on the fence. Southerners may be afraid to talk openly about the situation but a couple of hundred kilometres away in Krabi you can talk freely with the local Muslims, they abhor the violence further south and fear it will spread to their area, they consider themselves Thai and get along perfectly well with their Buddhist neighbours.

Discussion 19 : 02/09/2012 at 03:21 PM

Khun Heartie #18, obviously, you're new to the messy business of counterterrorism! All of the civilized nations in the world, led by the US, and the Europeans, continue to cooperate closely with one another, including sharing sensitive intelligence, since terrorists operate across borders with total disregard for innocent lives. All we need from the Israeli is their knowhow based on their long experience in counterterrorism. I hope we still know how to keep secret so not to tell the whole world what we have learned from our Israeli friends. And you'll be surprised how much help we have received from them in modern irrigational technology.

Discussion 20 : 02/09/2012 at 03:14 PM

khunbill D15 The insurgents don't want the Thai government to provide more help, they want them to go away.

Discussion 21 : 02/09/2012 at 03:12 PM

Khun Somnamna #17, I'm not sure about the French being the best in counterterrorism since their Air France were hijacked a few times, while the Israeli EI AI is yet to be hijacked ever. And did hundreds of cars in Paris were burned indiscriminately just a few years ago by a bunch of Islamic youths? MOSSAD & SHIN BET are the best in the business because they have the most experience, and they have to simply be the best or their tiny Jewish nation will be no more.

Discussion 22 : 02/09/2012 at 03:02 PM

Khun Somnamna #17, welcome to how to fight and win in the War on Terror, which often described as War in the Shadow. The goal of the Israeli is to be left alone to live in their homeland in peace just like everybody else. However, the goal of the terrorists sponsored by countries like Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia, is to drive them into the sea. So, do you want the Israeli to do what Thai people in the Deep South have been doing rather too well, I'm afraid, of getting murdered indiscriminately by the thousands, and having their homes and businesses blown to pieces? So, with or without the Israeli help, I don't think the situation in the Deep South can't get any worse. The question is what do we want to do about it? Do you want to wait until bombs start going off in Songkha or Phuket?

Discussion 23 : 02/09/2012 at 02:03 PM

This particular problem is not peculiar to Thailand, it is worldwide and growing. Those perpetrating are motivated by a belief that it is their calling and they should claim the world in the name of their god. Behind all these acts of violence in most countries worldwide is a political ideology masquerading as a religion and that is the key to its success - it is a totalitarian political organization driven by blind unquestioning faith. During the last century Communism attempted in the same way as this organization to debauch the economy of its victims country to enable it to take over. It almost succeeded in the UK through workers' unions lead by Marxist leaders. However, having defeated Fascism in WW11, and then Communism following that war, we are now faced with this new totalitarian threat. It has to be confronted because it is growing like a cancer. The answer must be enlightenment through education of the unknowing followers. The problem is there are 1.5 billion of them.

Discussion 24 : 02/09/2012 at 01:03 PM

spiceman, discussion 13 said, 'get the Israeli experts in counterterrorism.' Did you really think this through carefully? Would it be in Thailand's best interest to get in bed with Isreal in an effort to try and solve this problem? You can win the battle, but lose the war this way. And I'm not convinced that Isreal cares about Thailand's problem as it doen't affect them. Moreover, I doubt seriously if any Israelis are interested in becoming paid mercenaries either.

Discussion 25 : 02/09/2012 at 12:36 PM

D# 13 Khun Spiceman: Bringing Israelis anti terror expertise will be just adding an extra fuel to the situation due to the situation in the Middle East and sure it will attract fanatic revenges jihadist only to fight them. MOSSAD & SHIN BET are just an official government agencies who use terrorism themselves, search the net for their crimes they are countless. I am not sure why you insets many times that they are the best in counter terrorism while most of their methods just trained and a copycat of French GIGN and RAID plus others which is way above any other country units on that field. Yes most don't expects that France have some of the best anti crime/terrorist units in the world but they do.

Discussion 26 : 02/09/2012 at 11:40 AM

While it is natural to feel anger about such terrible acts, dealing with insurgencies by purely military means is a recipe for a conflict that will grow increasingly bitter and last for many more generations. Even the Israelis military/security have not been able to stop ALL acts of terrorism against them so why does anyone believe that Thailand could do it better? Surely it is time for intelligent and thoughtful action to address the valid complaints of the southern majority (and thus to reduce the support that extremists get). In the meantime, if security is "hampered by a shortage of personnel" then why is it not time to transfer troops from other regions? The southern army has the fewest divisions of any region but is the only area where soldiers are being killed. What reasons can there be for NOT using the full strength of the army to protect Thai citizens?

Discussion 27 : 02/09/2012 at 11:34 AM

Just proves how stupid these terrorist are. If the really want the Thai government to provide more econimic help and oppurtunity, so why do they go around blowing up and killing everything they can think of. Some mentallity?????????

Discussion 28 : 02/09/2012 at 11:06 AM

How about Thailand give back the land they annexed 200 odd years ago.The land is malay originally so give it back.let them live in peace

Discussion 29 : 02/09/2012 at 10:29 AM

Khun Siamitude #12, forget ASEAN or UN, but get the Israeli experts in counterterrorism (MOSSAD & SHIN BET), who are the best of the bests in this business. Combined with their hi-tech gadgetry, and those terrorists won't even know what hit them!

Discussion 30 : 02/09/2012 at 09:57 AM

Thai military are not part of the solution but part of the problem. We need UN or ASEAN mediation now.

Discussion 31 : 02/09/2012 at 09:48 AM

There is a difference between noise or static, and actionable intelligence of where, when and by whom an impending attack will take place. This new kind of War on Terror is led by surveillance and intelligent gathering, hoping it will lead to actionable intelligence, where a preemptive strike can be launched in time to catch the terrorists, where further intelligence can be developed to get into their inner circle. The ratio is 90% intelligence and 10% actual combat operation. And until we can reestablish our surveillance and intel gathering capability, we will continue to fighting blind and be on the receiving end of their bombs and bullets. If the terrorists can spend only a few hundreds Bahts to blow up 60 million Baht in damages with full immunity, they are bleeding us dry, and their victory is virtually assured.

Discussion 32 : 02/09/2012 at 09:12 AM

The government needs to scrap all their committees, command centers and poorly thought out ideas. They then need to ask the army, the air force and the Royal Thai Police to provide some mid to upper level officers, all of whom have shown skill, leadership and decision making capabilities. Then ship the lot of them to Israel to learn counter terrorism tactics. When they return, add a few civilians with backgrounds in psychology and anti-terrorism, plus local liaisons and allow this group to formulate and oversee a campaign to bring the area under control. Keep ALL meddling politicians out of the equation.

Discussion 33 : 02/09/2012 at 09:10 AM

l fear for the innocent people living in the deep south,its a serious problem that the world has faced,who are the enemy,its hard to see as they blend in with others,pretending to be as one, these misguided thugs are trying to put their will and ways forcefully upon scared and vunerable local communities,this regime needs to focus on their thai citizen,for too long they have been focusing on their own supporters in the north,the security forces are not up to the job lack,expertise and disipline,there needs advice from abroad now, otherwise this will escalate badly

Discussion 34 : 02/09/2012 at 09:09 AM

And now the south is suffering the burning down of big department stores in shopping malls (has a familiar ring to it, heh?) and economic losses. As devastating as that is the 5,000 people killed with no let-up in sight is obviously far worse. The government has mastered the reactionary skills and ability to tally the daily devastation and deaths but is clueless in stopping it and apprehending the perpetrators. The bumbling command center safely based in Bangkok is useless. Everybody is in agreement as to who the bad–guys perpetrators are but what are the good-guys government defenders of Thailand and its people going to finally do? When bombings occur in so-called safe-zones with tight security, then there really are no safe-zones. Both the Thai police and Thai military are in the area and still things are escalating? Something is out-of-whack! Get serious about a solution, now!

Discussion 35 : 02/09/2012 at 08:54 AM

The commenters have good points. Myself, I'd like to see the Thai army bring about a military 'surge', compounded with a masssive increase in intelligence gathering, infiltration, and a 'winning hearts and minds' campaign to offset the terrorist gains. At Thai Army forts throughout the kingdom there are thousands of Army conscripts being used as grass cutters / gardners, officier club waiters, and drivers for thousands of elite general officiers. Train them and deploy them down South where they can have an effect instead of using them as servants and menial labor.

Discussion 36 : 02/09/2012 at 08:54 AM

The government probably should send Jatuporn & red shirt company to the South for security assistance to the army. The red guards were thought to be very vigilant during their protest and now is a chance for them to put them in good use. This could not be a better chance for the red shirts to prove themselves. What do you think?

Discussion 37 : 02/09/2012 at 07:16 AM

"Pol Gen Wichean insisted that intelligence operations had not failed." Really? did Chalerm tell him to say this now that he is in charge? "Wichean Potephosree, said yesterday the multiple attacks were an attempted show of power and strength." How can this be an attempt looks like success to me. It happened in an area authorities had declared as a "safe zone"

Discussion 38 : 02/09/2012 at 07:07 AM

Now the excuse is there is not enough personnel. Thailand just got a whole lot smaller.

Discussion 39 : 02/09/2012 at 06:06 AM

The Jihadist seems better organized and trained, having a better strategy than anything Thai military can field. The obvious counter strategy is to stop the Jihadist ethnic cleansing by importing 500.000 new non Muslim settlers/foreigners to the southern provinces. Besides balancing out the Jihadist it would give a much needed economic boost to the backward south.

Discussion 40 : 02/09/2012 at 04:48 AM

Peace = Stability = Prosperity. Bombs = Hostility = Instability = Poverty. The Muslim majority in the Deep South may not even want prosperity, but to be left alone in their Islamic way of live focusing around worshiping their Allah 5 times a day. This is a contest between Allah vs Buddha, and Allah is winning!

Discussion 41 : 02/09/2012 at 02:12 AM

If only Chalerm would devote himself to the Thai people in the South with the same committment as he did to the reconcilliation bill he personally prepared to help Thaksin return. Actually, now I think about some of his public statements, it might be for the best that he doesn't care. It shows the governments total ineptitude : he is publically put in charge of the problems in the South by Yingluck then we don't hear a word from him. I suppose he likes to meddle in things which benefit him personally as opposed to things which benefit Thailand and it's people. It's a shame the red-shirts can't see that.