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Discussion 1 : 15/09/2012 at 03:45 PM

@Disc 43 - Is there such a thing as telling an "honest lie"? Of course a politician will get trashed for exaggerating numbers, we didn't elect them to tell us we are living in heaven. Would you be happy if teachers give your kid straight As? but in fact he is getting Fs and falling behind his friends in class?

Discussion 2 : 14/09/2012 at 09:11 PM

dom's continual claims that he doesn't like or defend Thaksin are just his version of the "little white lie". We all know the truth yet he insists of denying it. Fits in spectacularly with PTP.

Discussion 3 : 14/09/2012 at 06:11 PM

bobble D42: Welcome to the team, we might appear to bang the same old drum day after day but for good reason and one day someone may hear us and it could help make the difference.

Discussion 4 : 14/09/2012 at 05:52 PM

englishbob D44 You seem to put great store on a PM's public speaking ability so you will be pleased to know that the Nation recently published an article commenting on Yingluck's improvements in this area. I put less emphasis on public speaking having lived in Thailand through the PM terms of Chavalit and Banharn. With regard to your claim that Yingluck cannot make a decision, how do you know this? Have you read the American Ambassador's report on his meeting with Yingluck before she became leader of PT, he thought she was a pretty sharp cookie. You can find it on Wikileaks.

Discussion 5 : 14/09/2012 at 04:49 PM

pete D47 You are right, Oscar Wilde did say it first and your preference for the original quotation shows consistency of thinking.

Discussion 6 : 14/09/2012 at 04:34 PM

Disc 41: Domdunno Is that another Irish quote? Oscar Wilde put it better - "Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative".

Discussion 7 : 14/09/2012 at 04:23 PM

bobble D42 : Welcome to your 1st post, I loved it. But be careful of statements such as "so forgive me if i dont really know what i am talking about". It could end up getting you a job with the current government.. As an MP

Discussion 8 : 14/09/2012 at 04:17 PM

"I, Mr Kittiratt Na-Ranong, deputy prime minister and finance minister, didn't lie, have not lied, and did not intend to lie," he said. "[My] white lie was definitely not a lie". This is why Thailand must rid itself of a party and people like this or it will sink with taxsin !

Discussion 9 : 14/09/2012 at 03:55 PM

He just made another "honest mistake". This servant in the Finance Ministry took advice from his master in Dubai.

Discussion 10 : 14/09/2012 at 03:37 PM

Disc40 DomDunn - Are there any Peua Thai MPs you think are incapable or sub-standard? Or are you prepared to defend all of them, no matter what? You seem to have no qualms about Thaksin's human rights record or his criminal cases. And Chalerm's perverting of the course of justice for his son is OK too. Yingluck's inability to speak or make a decision doesn't concern you. And a Finance Minister who lies (and then lies about lying) to the public doesn't seem to set alarm bells ringing either. Exactly how bad does someone need to be before you say, "OK... that guy needs to go."?

Discussion 11 : 14/09/2012 at 03:04 PM

When a politician finally admits to telling a "lie", in this case exaggerating numbers", he gets completely trashed for it. So, off course he's going to take back his statement. The DEM have gone bonkers over it for the last couple of months. Considering their own leaders not so innocent lies about the 2010 crackdown it amazes me that they have wasted so much energy pursuing this very trivial matter.

Discussion 12 : 14/09/2012 at 02:59 PM

hi all.. first post on here, i have been reading a lot in the backround for a while now trying to get my head around the corruption that is thai politics, so forgive me if i dont really know what i am talking about.. but this is just ridiculous :)

Discussion 13 : 14/09/2012 at 01:35 PM

A lesson on why it is not a good idea to lie : it's difficult to justify it in the future without lying again. Then when the lies contradict, you come across as an untrustworthy idiot. Chalerm is an expert at this. He will lie, then say "I will not speak about this again.". He might come across as an arrogant buffoon, but he has learnt it is better than making a total fool of yourself like Kittiratt has done

Discussion 14 : 14/09/2012 at 01:30 PM

bikeme D13 Consistency is much prized by people who lack imagination.

Discussion 15 : 14/09/2012 at 01:19 PM

First he says he was lying. Now he says he wasn't lying. Only the gullible would believe anything he says. Hello discussion 12.

Discussion 16 : 14/09/2012 at 01:19 PM

My oh my, what another fine mess he has got himself in to! If we didn't have recorders and reporters this sort of problem would never have happened. Terrible thing, the truth.

Discussion 17 : 14/09/2012 at 01:18 PM

"I didn't do. It wasn't me. Nobody saw me." Bart Simpson

Discussion 18 : 14/09/2012 at 01:13 PM

it reminds me of an old saying Q when do you know when a politician is lying A his mouth is open at the time was he lying when he said he didnt lie ?

Discussion 19 : 14/09/2012 at 12:23 PM

My! My! My! It is like a primary school student: "I didn't do it. How can you say I did it? It's not fair!" Hmm. What is not fair is the way politicians THINK they are duping the public all the time. When Khun Chalerm looks sceptical we should be really worried.

Discussion 20 : 14/09/2012 at 11:44 AM

Lying about lying - no wonder Chalerm is smiling - he can't believe it either.

Discussion 21 : 14/09/2012 at 11:34 AM

Yes exports will be up in the latter part of the year because due to the incapable water ministry many manufacturers stop producing due to the floods and there for could not export.Watch for the five card trick it is all in the slight of the hand.

Discussion 22 : 14/09/2012 at 11:23 AM

He is going for the JCB to dig a bigger hole for himself the one dug by the shovel was not deep enough.I still say he is telling white lies to cover up his absolute incompetence.

Discussion 23 : 14/09/2012 at 11:11 AM

Looks like the Minister has taken some lessons from the American political scene e.g., “I did not inhale any smoke…” or “I like not have sex with that woman..”. As a seasoned politician, he should have known better than to give specifics on any matters; since being caught with “his pants down” with his “15%” projection, he is expected to defend his remarks vigorously with another of his double-speak language. Once again, he tried to worm his way out of this predicament with another lie. Maybe he should have try this mother-of-all “white lie” that is designed for politicians:“The comment made then was correct but through the flow of time, the variables and the circumstances in which this comment was based changes substantially to warrants it invalid”. If you can’t convince then confuse them.

Discussion 24 : 14/09/2012 at 10:54 AM

"I, Mr Kittiratt Na-Ranong, deputy prime minister and finance minister, didn't lie, have not lied, and did not intend to lie," he said. The last comment is different from the first two comments, by saying did not intend to lie means in my book that he lied and he knew he intended to lie yes or no ??

Discussion 25 : 14/09/2012 at 10:49 AM

Kittirat is surely capable of using the most hilarious paraphrase like" The redshirts are peaceful grassroots".. and THAT is about the biggest lie in the world...LOL...Poor ,poor Thailand when a deputy Prime Minister thinks the whole population is stupid!

Discussion 26 : 14/09/2012 at 10:22 AM

Why do politicians think they can deny something when they have already admitted it ?

Discussion 27 : 14/09/2012 at 10:15 AM

STOP talking about this guy, he is just a fraction of what his boss (on the run is). His boss claims that he never asked the reds to paralyse bangkok, never asked them to get violent, never cheated the nation of billions of dollars, never wanted anything more than democracy, never tries to intefere in Thai politics - Looks like many white lies can wipe out the lies. I think the press and readers need to stop believing and wasting time on these pack of puppets controlled by remote from a globe hopping criminal.

Discussion 28 : 14/09/2012 at 10:13 AM

Come on, give him a break! He did not make that figure by himself, "the government agencies responsible for projecting the export goal told him..." and he even did not believe them (555), but did not want to contradict them, maybe because he had no idea anyway, or because he did not know how to phrase it. "However, Thai commercial counsellors and Thai trade ministers in 65 countries predict exports this year will grow by 7.2%. Moral of the story, don't ask government agencies, ask those who are in the business and know about it.

Discussion 29 : 14/09/2012 at 09:58 AM

I actually liked that he admitted the original lie because it was such a refreshing change (we know that ALL politicians tell lies) but now he just looks weak and stupid.

Discussion 30 : 14/09/2012 at 09:52 AM

Why is this even 'news'? The PT de facto leader has lied several times and there has been no public outcry. "I'm quitting politics." "I have not committed any crimes." "I was politically persecuted." "I'll reduce Bangkok's traffic congestion in 6 months." Sound familiar? Finance Minister Kittiratt Na-Ranong is just following in the foot steps of his leader.

Discussion 31 : 14/09/2012 at 09:48 AM

this regime is in power because of corruption and lies,the cancer is spreading to all corners of the administration,now they all thinks it ok to lie to the public and amongst themselves,they have been found to be incompetent,a no-confidence vote in parliament to disband these renagades and allow new fresh and honest elections to serve the people with a will to fight corruption and justice to all

Discussion 32 : 14/09/2012 at 09:47 AM

Really a storm in a teacup, not really worth tax payer money to be debated in Parliment. Did S&P lower our rating or capital flight because of what Kittiratt said? Didn't Ahbisit said that his government will stop the Southern unrest in his first year in office? Didn't Obama promise jobs and employments? Let's agree that all politicians are liars.

Discussion 33 : 14/09/2012 at 09:19 AM

Will 2 white lies make a grey lie?

Discussion 34 : 14/09/2012 at 09:15 AM

And the nose of Kittiratt just keeps growing and growing ...

Discussion 35 : 14/09/2012 at 08:59 AM

As per ususal, They do something wrong then a week later after they have all worked together (including mr T.) They eventualy come up with an explanation. How many more times will the people except this? Also like Crunchy mentioned . What ever happend about cherlem being drunk in parliment????

Discussion 36 : 14/09/2012 at 08:55 AM

Disc6 "The political spinsters will eventually weave their magic." No. It was a lie. Do you think we are Red Shirts? We can tell the difference easily. Now who's spinning?

Discussion 37 : 14/09/2012 at 08:43 AM

Does not compute … does not compute … does not compute … AArrrghhh!!! (One million PC tablets die screaming).

Discussion 38 : 14/09/2012 at 08:43 AM

he can say what he wants now but nobody will never trust him anymore ...its too late this man has no more credibility....

Discussion 39 : 14/09/2012 at 08:36 AM

It really surprises me that Mr Kittiratt has gone against the normal practice and not sent out 100's of lawsuits against everybody who wrote and said he is a liar.

Discussion 40 : 14/09/2012 at 08:25 AM

One for all, all for one... like what they have promised in election, like his boss in dubai(to end his politics but didn't).. like mr. Chalerm(drunkiness while in parliament session and his house keeper removing the shoes).. from their head to tail.

Discussion 41 : 14/09/2012 at 08:14 AM

Consistency is not a hallmark of the PTP, other than being inconsistent.

Discussion 42 : 14/09/2012 at 08:10 AM

Kittiratt was not retracting lie admission. He explained. in the context of his speech, why he had wrongly used the expression 'white lie'. Did MP Kiart produced to the House the "more than 500 articles" as a result of Kittiratt's used of the expression "white lies". Were they forum talks, bloggers talks but not articles? Or was it a lie?

Discussion 43 : 14/09/2012 at 07:49 AM

"I, Mr Kittiratt Na-Ranong, deputy prime minister and finance minister, didn't lie, have not lied, and did not intend to lie," he said. And there you have the result of the education system... I wonder if he even confuses himself, ignorance is bliss.

Discussion 44 : 14/09/2012 at 07:45 AM

"[My] white lie was definitely not a lie. I'm not good at paraphrasing phrases like 'rally crackdown' into 'reclaim the public space'," he said, apparently referring to the Abhisit Vejjajiva administration's coining of a new term to tone down how it dispersed the red-shirt rallies in April-May 2010. - What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? So if you are not good at paraphrasing there are other ways to say something to the public!

Discussion 45 : 14/09/2012 at 07:43 AM

Never mind the lie U-turn (which just embarrasses this chump even further) defending it with the following line is really in poor taste and out of context; I'm not good at paraphrasing phrases like 'rally crackdown' into 'reclaim the public space'," he said, apparently referring to the Abhisit Vejjajiva administration's coining of a new term to tone down how it dispersed the red-shirt rallies in April-May 2010.

Discussion 46 : 14/09/2012 at 06:49 AM

Sorry Khun Kittiratt the damage is already done with your first statement that you told a white lie. People now doubt your word and no amount of foot shuffling and trying to change the music is going to alter the impression you have already created by your own words

Discussion 47 : 14/09/2012 at 06:38 AM

This is a very simple problem to solve...The best way in the future to tell if any PT/UDD/Red shirt Thaksin and his entire band of merry thieves is lying is simply to look and see if their mouth is moving. If it is then they are lying

Discussion 48 : 14/09/2012 at 06:29 AM

The political spinsters will eventually weave their magic. The 15% export target was more of an exaggeration, not than a lie. Just wishful thinking, spoken out loud.

Discussion 49 : 14/09/2012 at 05:34 AM

Khun Brilliant #4, brilliant as your name said. The problem with lying is that a liar has to keep on lying, you know, changing his story form this to that, and etc. But a truthful person tells the truth only once, and it is sufficient!

Discussion 50 : 14/09/2012 at 04:45 AM

"I, Mr Kittiratt Na-Ranong, deputy prime minister and finance minister, didn't lie, have not lied, and did not intend to lie," he said. Well, he either lied before or is lying now, so which is it. Quit lying.

Discussion 51 : 14/09/2012 at 04:01 AM

I'm starting to think this warm weather here is due to all the hot air these politicians are putting out. Probably contributing to global warming.

Discussion 52 : 14/09/2012 at 03:55 AM

The saying that, “A picture is worth a thousand words” certainly applies to the picture in this article. More accurately it would be that this picture of Kittiratt and Chalerm represents countless words of ignorance, denials and outright lies. I can’t think of a single completed accomplishment either has seen to fruition for the country beyond their initial clown-antics of boasts, chest-pounding and self-congratulations. If only others thought of them as highly as they see themselves while they most likely ‘wai’ themselves in the morning mirror. What a clueless pair! Thailand deserves so much more and is being short-changed.

Discussion 53 : 14/09/2012 at 03:27 AM

"I, Mr Kittiratt Na-Ranong, deputy prime minister and finance minister, didn't lie, have not lied, and did not intend to lie," he said Which is it? Does he listen to himself speak?