Ambitious charter change 'unlikely'
SINGAPORE : Former premier Thaksin Shinawatra said his sister's government will avoid conflicts like those that led to his ouster in a 2006 coup, even as it presses ahead with efforts to curb the power of the courts.
- Published: 26/09/2012 at 03:08 AM
Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's ruling Pheu Thai Party will probably drop plans to completely rewrite the constitution, amending it section-by-section instead to avoid challenges that caused previous governments to fall, Thaksin said in Singapore on Monday."If we cannot amend the constitution that we have now, it's difficult," said Thaksin, who has lived overseas since fleeing a 2008 jail sentence. "It's like the government is living in a house full of land mines. So you have to be very cautious."The approach may extend the tenure of Ms Yingluck's 13-month-old government, which has already outlasted the last Thaksin-linked administration that collapsed in 2008 after yellow-shirt protesters seized Bangkok's two airports.The government will push to change the charter even after the Constitution Court ruled in July that a referendum should be held before the document is overhauled.Planned amendments would decrease the power of independent agencies such as the Constitution Court and give more say to elected officials, Thaksin said.Thaksin's opponents, who accused him of using government agencies to attack his political foes while he was in charge, say his proposed changes will allow him to recoup his seized fortune and return to Thailand without spending time in jail.In 2008, Thaksin fled abuse of power charges for helping his then-wife buy land from the government.In 2010, a court seized 46.4 billion baht held by Thaksin's family after ruling that policies during his five years as prime minister increased the value of Shin Corp, the telecommunications company now controlled by Temasek.Thaksin declined to reveal his net worth."The principle is about justice," Thaksin said, referring to his seized wealth. "Did I have enough justice? Did they treat me correctly? Did they observe the rule of law? If not, I have to be remedied."Two weeks after his cash was seized, the Thaksin-backed red shirts began protests that shut down Bangkok's commercial centre and led to a crackdown by the Democrat-led government of the time that left 92 people dead.Thaksin said bills granting an amnesty for political offences from all sides since the coup would remain tabled in parliament as more discussions are held.At the same time, he said the previous government, headed by Abhisit Vejjajiva, should face trial for setting up live ammunition zones to besiege protesters in 2010."It's too much, the way they cracked down on the people," Thaksin said, adding that the International Criminal Court is considering whether to accept a petition filed by the red shirts.Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said Mr Abhisit and other Democrat members are willing to face the courts to establish the truth.He cited a report by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission that also blamed militants hiding within the protesters for some of the deaths."Thaksin is always speaking outside the country," Mr Chavanond said."Why doesn't he come back and prove what really happened and prove to the people that he's innocent?"The reconciliation commission, set up by the Abhisit government after the violence, cautioned against a broad amnesty and called for constitutional changes to be explained to the public, as well as for the military to stay out of politics and for judges to remain neutral.When releasing its report, commission chairman Kanit na Nakorn called for Thaksin to stay out of political affairs. "That's the view of a very few people," Thaksin said, adding that "Kanit is still angry with me about a dispute over who to include in the Thai Rak Thai party", which brought him to power in 2001.Mr Kanit declined to comment Tuesday on Thaksin's remarks."I respect all who make comments on our report," Mr Kanit said. "It's a good opportunity for public accountability."Thaksin Tuesday left Singapore for Brunei to give his congratulations for the wedding of the daughter of the Sultan of Brunei.
Share your thoughts
- Discussion 1 : 26/09/2012 at 05:53 PM
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Singapore takes a major blow to its credibility by allowing a mass murder, convicted criminal evading a well earned jail sentence, and running a country via a nepotist, criminal proxy, to roam freely in their country. It doesn't say much about their commitment to rule of law.
- Discussion 2 : 26/09/2012 at 04:00 PM
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Taksin has the police in his pocket and now, it seems, he won't rest until he has the courts in there too.
- Discussion 3 : 26/09/2012 at 03:37 PM
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When I read Lazarisbk post “Thaksins mistake was he did not sacrifice enough martyrs” I had an idea: Instead of more martyrs who die for him maybe Thaksin can go to a public place, read a statement about democracy in Thailand, and then he can publicly martyr himself. I am sure he would get lots of media attention around the world, and that is what he wants, correct?
- Discussion 4 : 26/09/2012 at 03:02 PM
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Ausse john:
" Why are they blinded by his cash and connections?"
Very soon the whole scam is going to be blown wide open. Thaksin and his connections will be compromised.
I hope then that not just Thai people, but the whole world wake up towhat's has been going on for centurys.
- Discussion 5 : 26/09/2012 at 10:51 AM
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The Democrats spokesman Mr. Chavavond, seems willing to make a compromise on the amnesty issue.
Mr. Thaksin should come back and address these issues so the country can put all this constantly turmoil behind.
But first, first Go to the root of the problems. Wasn't the 2006 military coup to remove Mr. Thaksin Shinawatra an illegal act?
- Discussion 6 : 26/09/2012 at 10:15 AM
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Thaksins mistake was he did not sacrifice enough martyrs. If say 1000 redshirt martyrs had of been sacrificed its possible the international outcry would have been extreme enough to change the rules. Better luck next time Mr TS.
- Discussion 7 : 26/09/2012 at 09:31 AM
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Did anybody see TS at Singapore F1 our was that all hogwash. Question to the PM: What % of the way the government is run by you and what % is run by TS Bet I do not get an answer maybe Bangkok Post can ask this question, I know what her answer will be "I'll have to get back to you on this !!"
- Discussion 8 : 26/09/2012 at 09:03 AM
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Will someone please give this male species of a human being (trying hard to not use the word man)
a high calibar pistol with no directions for a present.
without a doubt he is up there with the pres .of Iran and also Chavez nothing more than stains on humanity
- Discussion 9 : 26/09/2012 at 09:00 AM
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Ignore the man he was convicted and escaped the law.I just do not understand why you allow him to send material for publication.each time you do this it makes him seem more credible.
- Discussion 10 : 26/09/2012 at 08:52 AM
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Do you notice how he is always seeking recognition. Eg: The Singapore F1 organizers invited me ( sure they did ) I am going to Brunei to congratulate the Sultan, or the usual claim, someone asked me to speak at the bi-annual conference of Peanut Shell exporters of Outer Faroffabackastan.
It is childlike behavior - "everyone loves me-they really do" pretty sad actually.
- Discussion 11 : 26/09/2012 at 08:34 AM
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“Two weeks after his cash was seized, the Thaksin-backed red shirts began protests that shut down Bangkok's commercial centre […]”
I always though the red shirts were peacefully demonstrating for democracy, or was there maybe another reason for their mayhem?
- Discussion 12 : 26/09/2012 at 07:50 AM
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How many more innocent Thais have to die for this megalomaniac..why don't Thai people see through this man's deceit? Why are they blinded by his cash and connections? Is this what it comes down to.?? Are people this shallow to allow they're children to look up to someone like this.
- Discussion 13 : 26/09/2012 at 07:49 AM
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- The government will push to change the charter even after the Constitution Court ruled...
- Planned amendments would decrease the power of independent agencies...
- ...bills granting an amnesty for political offences from all sides remain tabled
- ...the previous government, ... should face trial...
- ...Thaksin to stay out of political affairs. "That's the view of a very few people"...
Summary: The government will continue to work for ME, Thaksin the great (egocentric, paranoid narcissistic megalomaniac), because Thailand that's ME.
- Discussion 14 : 26/09/2012 at 07:42 AM
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As a rule, one should believe the opposite to what Thaksin says. He has difficulty keeping promises, which may just be smoke screens anyway. So, I have no doubt that he is continuing to pursue the Charter change, amnesty, whitewashing, etc., just quietly, that's all.
- Discussion 15 : 26/09/2012 at 07:37 AM
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Give a Taksin a retrial in a neutral court to prove that he was not politically prosecuted. A court set up by the coup with the singular agenda to find Taksin guilty is shrouded with doubts domestically and internationally. The retrial will once and for all clear the grey air and acceptable for all parties including the international community.
- Discussion 16 : 26/09/2012 at 07:34 AM
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Planned amendments would decrease the power of independent agencies such as the Constitution Court and give more say to elected officials, Thaksin said.
Chilling stuff. Let the people elect the govt and then let that people's govt elect the people who have to watch over them. This here is the most obvious flaw of the Thaksin era, and look where we've ended up.
- Discussion 17 : 26/09/2012 at 07:34 AM
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"Planned amendments would decrease the power of independent agencies such as the Constitution Court and give more say to elected officials, Thaksin said."
And there are still people on this planet who believe he should be supported?
- Discussion 18 : 26/09/2012 at 07:31 AM
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If this is Thaksin staying out of politics, what will it be like when he comes back in ?.
He always talks like he is addressing some idiot who is gullible enough to believe anything. It's almost childish.
I realised long ago that you do not need to be intelligent to become as powerful as he was/would like to be again, you need to be ruthless with no conscience about what you do to others as you climb the ladder. Every single dictator in history has similar traits.
If he really loved his country, he would shut his mouth and stop causing division.
- Discussion 19 : 26/09/2012 at 07:15 AM
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Thaksin: Amnesty to remain tabled
Yeah well good luck with that , it ain`t going to happen and he knows it quite well , what does he have to lose anyway , either way it`s the Thai Kingdom and it`s people that will suffer , he just wants more time , to screw more money from the Thai purse that his little sister seems to be holding wide open on his behalf , while he fires his political shots from behind her red skirt !
- Discussion 20 : 26/09/2012 at 07:09 AM
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"The principle is about justice," Thaksin said, referring to his seized wealth. "Did I have enough justice? Did they treat me correctly? Did they observe the rule of law? If not, I have to be remedied."
And the foolish and gullible red shirts , farmers and rural poor thought that he was all for them ?
All the justice in the world wouldn`t be enough for him , did he act correctly and did he "observe the rule of law" ?
Will the Thai people ever wake up from this dispicable clans attack on their Kingdom , it`s wealth and opportunities ?
- Discussion 21 : 26/09/2012 at 07:02 AM
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"If we cannot amend the constitution that we have now, it's difficult," said Thaksin, who has lived overseas since fleeing a 2008 jail sentence. "It's like the government is living in a house full of land mines. So you have to be very cautious."
The fool obviously can`t take a hint ?
- Discussion 22 : 26/09/2012 at 07:00 AM
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"It's too much, the way they cracked down on the people," Thaksin said, adding that the International Criminal Court is considering whether to accept a petition filed by the red shirts.
Too much alright , it`s a lie per day the taxsin/yingluck and ptp way ?
- Discussion 23 : 26/09/2012 at 06:58 AM
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Thaksin: Amnesty to remain tabled
Spoken like a true commie dictator , scared to face his own people !
- Discussion 24 : 26/09/2012 at 06:57 AM
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As usual it`s all about him and his money ?
Nothing else !
- Discussion 25 : 26/09/2012 at 06:52 AM
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Democrat spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut and the other Democrats were not targeted by a committee established by a military junta for the sole purpose of convicting them regardless of guilt
- Discussion 26 : 26/09/2012 at 06:51 AM
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"Former premier Thaksin Shinawatra said his sister's government ...even as it presses ahead with efforts to curb the power of the courts."
In a democracy, the courts decide justice. In Thailand, the courts are to be abused, intimidated and threatened by PTP/UDD to get their way.
If Thaksin believes the words coming out of his own mouth, let him come back and stand beside Abhisit and determine the truth. Abhisit is willing, but Thaksin.....
- Discussion 27 : 26/09/2012 at 06:47 AM
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Funny , I just named a new found "square headed stray dog" , taxsin !
Now that`s an injustice to the poor dog now , isn`t it ?
May have to get it "put down" though as he shat on my lawn and goes nextdoor and barks at me all the time , though his bark is much worse than his bite , it`s the pack of mungrels that he thinks he leads that one must be careful of , he barks far too much for a unwanted stray dog , i think he misses his sister , nar mar na ka or something like that , he`s howling constantly and seems desperated for a pat and some attention ?
- Discussion 28 : 26/09/2012 at 06:34 AM
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Isanfarang Dis.2
I doubt that Thaksin is really interested in the 46 Billion Baht. This sum is only peanuts compared to the money that he could make being PM once again. Imagine, if he was to be the head of state again, who could stop him?
- Discussion 29 : 26/09/2012 at 06:32 AM
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"The principle is about justice," Thaksin said, referring to his seized wealth. "Did I have enough justice? Did they treat me correctly? Did they observe the rule of law? If not, I have to be remedied."
"Thaksin is always speaking outside the country," Mr Chavanond said.
"Why doesn't he come back and prove what really happened and prove to the people that he's innocent?"
This is precisely why taxsin/yingluck and ptp must surely go !
Blattant red lies and corruption , everyone knows it`s him , for him , on behalf of him and for his benefit only , Wake up Thailand , your Kingdom is being robbed blind , once again !
He is obviously guilty and "scared" as he still won`t return to face the people after over half a decade of guttless threats and promises , much prefering to circumnavigate Thai law dividing the Kingdom in the process !
Thailand doesn`t need shinawatwashisnameagain , but he obviously needs it !
- Discussion 30 : 26/09/2012 at 04:59 AM
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Thaksin does not return to Thailand because he fears the truth.
- Discussion 31 : 26/09/2012 at 04:48 AM
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Again, disgusting arrogance, greed and lies by the great fugitive.....lucky its only people from the level of the red villages gullible for this farce!
- Discussion 32 : 26/09/2012 at 04:46 AM
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I wonder if Thaksin ever goes back and reads the nonstop nonsense that comes out of his mouth
Everyone in the whole wide wolrd except for poor little thaksin is wrong
- Discussion 33 : 26/09/2012 at 04:27 AM
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"It's too much, the way they cracked down on the people," Thaksin said"
Record whilst in office..nearly 2500 so-called "war on drugs" deaths."These murders were committed by the police; the policemen were the killers. Yet the government of Thaksin did not bother to conduct any inquiries,"Somchai Homlaor, a human rights lawyer, told IPS."Even complaints by the National Human Rights Commission were ignored. The commissioners submitted many reports on the ‘war on drugs’ to the Thaksin government and also to the United Nations."Thaksins well reported response.."The United Nations is not my father. I am not worried about any UN visit to Thailand on this issue."
On the Takbai massacre resulting in 78 deaths..“There are some who died because they were fasting, and they were crammed in tight.”
"Thaksin vowed an official investigation but insisted the military had used “the soft approach,” and that soldiers “did not fire a single round into the crowd.”
The great deceiver is re-writing history again with the continuous process of trying to whitewash his crimes.
The best chance for reconciliaton is for the Shinawatra clan and all of it's friends and cronies to permanently depart Thai politics.However there is 46 billion baht at stake and Thaksin won't rest until he gets this and possibly more from the coffers of Thailand.That is his real reason for "caring" about the people.
- Discussion 34 : 26/09/2012 at 04:01 AM
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The fugitive does not dare to push through amnesty for himself until having control of the military.