Abhisit urges truth about men in black

The Democrat Party held an emotional rally in Lumpini Park yesterday to condemn the government and provide its version of the military crackdown against red shirt protesters in 2010 when it was in power.

Party members attempted to shed light on the mysterious men in black who had been linked to the red shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship ( UDD) and who were believed by some to have attacked security forces and killed people during the 2010 political violence.

The Democrats on Friday staged a "men in black" caravan to highlight the involvement of the armed men in the 2010 red shirt rallies.

The caravan, led by MPs Tankhun Jitt-itsara and Boonyod Sukthinthai, made five stops along the route where the men in black were reportedly sighted during the April-May rallies.

The recent report by the Truth for Reconciliation Commission (TRC) lent weight to the role played by the men in black in the anti-government protests. It also said the government of the day had to bear responsibility for some of the events.

Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha said on Friday that the army had information about the black-clad men who attacked security forces on April 10, 2010.

However, he said the information should be verified as the judicial process takes it course instead of being used to trade accusations.

Democrat deputy leader Apirak Kosayodhin told a gathering of party supporters that the TRC clearly said in its report that the men in black used war weapons to attack security forces on April 10, 2010.

But now efforts have been made to distort the facts and deflect the blame to the previous Abhisit government, which handled the protests under emergency rule.

Democrat MP for Rayong Sathit Pitutecha said the men in black were paid to commit crimes and acts of violence, including killing members of security forces and innocent people as well as red shirt protesters during the 2010 political unrest.

He said the Abhisit government had tried to find the men in black, while the Pheu Thai Party-led government was reluctant to uncover the truth.

At the Lumpini Park rally, Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva also released his new book entitled The Truth Without Colours.

Mr Abhisit said he had tried to do everything in his power to avoid the violence but negotiations to end the impasse failed because Thaksin Shinawatra, who was the real boss, was only interested in whitewashing his crimes and not merely in a dissolution of the House.

Mr Abhisit strongly rejected suggestions by red shirt members that "someone who has power beyond the constitution" was involved in the operations to disperse the red shirt protesters.

He insisted his government would take sole responsibility for the mistakes, if any, resulting from the crackdown.

Mr Abhisit said he wanted the country to move forward but there were attempts by some groups to obstruct everything.

He said violence still occurs around country because some groups were trying to distort information and alleged his government had resorted to strong-arm tactics against the red shirts.

Democrat MP Suthep Thaugsuban had tears rolling down his face as he recalled the death of Col Romklao Thuwatham during the April 10 crackdown. Mr Suthep said the Pheu Thai government was trying to unfairly prosecute him and Mr Abhisit for the crackdown.

Mr Suthep was deputy prime minister and director of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation, in charge of the crackdown. He said the security forces had followed proper procedures in dealing with the protests.

An emotional Mr Suthep called for justice for soldiers who died to maintain peace and order during the violence.

He said relatives of the dead soldiers received only 400,000 baht in compensation while the red shirts were getting seven million baht.

Pheu Thai deputy spokesman Jirayu Huangsap said the rally was futile as it caused further pain for victims' families.

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Discussion 1 : 15/10/2012 at 09:19 PM
"Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has instructed his lawyers and the Pheu Thai Party's legal team to bring a defamation lawsuit against Abhisit Vejjajiva and other leading Democrat Party members for their remarks about the role of the "men in black....." Can a fugitive with one conviction and another arrest warrant file lawsuits in Thailand? Up to his old tricks of trying to silence anyone that doesn't agree with him.
Discussion 2 : 15/10/2012 at 09:15 PM
jib - "What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people. I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable." - Abhisit, Oct 7, 2008 "No one died at Ratchaprasong intersection on May 19 last year." - Suthep, June, 2011 Good old john. Continues his using old quotes and information totally out out context to what this situation is and what the statements were originally. Intellectual dishonesty. Perhaps reds fall for it.
Discussion 3 : 15/10/2012 at 10:49 AM
mr.meldrew(D67): You wonder why I keep referring to the events of 1973, 1976, and 1992. Well, there is a very obvious common thread, which far outweighs the differences you highlight. Genii(D64) makes the point very well. There are other similarities, but getting bogged down in yet more detail is pointless.
Discussion 4 : 15/10/2012 at 10:09 AM
"What is even worse than laying the blame on the authorities is vilifying the people. I have never thought that we would have a state which has the people killed and seriously injured, and then accuses the people of the crimes. This is unacceptable." - Abhisit, Oct 7, 2008 "No one died at Ratchaprasong intersection on May 19 last year." - Suthep, June, 2011
Discussion 5 : 14/10/2012 at 11:37 PM
There is video evidence suggesting that Thaksin's armed militants purposefully targeted red shirts, in order to expand the conflict, incur international condemnation under the belief that the government was doing it - and this reflects identical destabilization efforts seen in Egypt, Libya, and now in Syria - where "mystery gunmen" were also spotted firing at people on both sides. It goes beyond the inept leadership of PTP. Follow Thaksin's bigger political/financial affiliations and see the bigger picture.
Discussion 6 : 14/10/2012 at 11:30 PM
Why should the PT led government spend resources to support the Dem's version of the massacre? The Dems had their chance get evidence when they were in charge of the government, albeit illegitimately.
Discussion 7 : 14/10/2012 at 11:15 PM
I wouldn't really call it a "cover up." After all, UDD's official "international spokesman" Sean Boonpracong said heavily armed men intervened on his organization's behalf, and Seh Daeng himself admitted he had 300 men armed with M-79's prepared for "close encounters" with government troops - right before the April 10 bloodbath. In addition to outright admissions, the terrorists were caught on camera, video, and by hundreds of eye-witnesses.
Discussion 8 : 14/10/2012 at 11:11 PM
Interestingly enough, no independent reports on the crack-down on the red-shirts agree with the Abhisit governments version of what happened. All reports I have read state that the government used excessive force. The focus on the Men in black is just a way for the Democrats to divert attention from their role in the crack-down...
Discussion 9 : 14/10/2012 at 11:09 PM
robingrant D58 : Why do you keep going on about 1973 and 1976? Different decades, different eras, different issues, different players. This article is about 2010 (well actually since 2001 with the introduction of TS as the main player). Get current because you are really missing this decades point.
Discussion 10 : 14/10/2012 at 10:23 PM
Disc64 Genii - But what constitutes 'proof'? You have undoubtedly seen videos and photographs of MIB. You've seen them mingling amongst Red Shirts. You've heard recordings of Jatuporn, Nattawut, Kwanchai, Arisman, Seh Daeng etc talking about them. You've seen photographs of soldiers killed by bullets and grenades. You've read the reports of how many 'non-red' places were targeted. And you've heard from internationally respected journalists how there were EXCHANGES of fire on 19th May... And yet, despite ALL of the above, you are still trying to shift blame away from UDD. For people like you, there can never be sufficient proof... You will always close your eyes and deny, deny, deny.
Discussion 11 : 14/10/2012 at 09:55 PM
I think it's so satisfyingly ironic the Red Shirt supporters brought up the Iraq War. Their posts seem to indicate a lack of support for the war... BUT this is the perfect example of why an electoral victory doesn't provide a mandate for any behaviour. Every time Peua Thai act in an unethical or illegal manner, the Red Supporters say, "They won an election in 2011, so they can do as they wish..." Well, by the same standard the war in Iraq was perfectly acceptable because the American government won an election... Right? Right?
Discussion 12 : 14/10/2012 at 09:07 PM
Until there is proof provided one should assume the MIB could have come from anywhere. The more important issue would be the use of military force. Almost without exception when military is called in there are casualties due to the troops training and mindset. Military fight wars and are not police. Once in the heat of conflict the militaries instinct kicks in and the results are predictable. This was a very heated conflict and I imagine casualties came from all sides. The MIB are not a mystery they are simply very well protected. It may not be surprising to find MIB from all sides.
Discussion 13 : 14/10/2012 at 07:56 PM
Re: 45 Maybe "khunbj" should get together with our favourite posters like "bula" and "Ricefield" - they could enjoy their fantasy life together and agree on how stupid and ignorant the rest of us for not worshipping the Great Leader and runaway prophet (upon whom all blessings be made).
Discussion 14 : 14/10/2012 at 07:53 PM
D31 : Before jumping to conclusions and branding people here as sheeps,maybe you should have done a bit of research? WMD's were the excuse for America and Britain to wage an illegal war in order to reap huge profits for private companies,mostly from the U.S.,such as Halliburton and investment banks like the Carlyle Group and their shareholders,which your fellow red shirt,Ricefield,have such a bleeding heart for. For your information,the Bush's are part of both. Less known is the fact that Thaksin served the Asia Advisory Board of the Carlyle Group from '97 to '01. Anyone interested in the Carlyle Group should watch this Dutch produced documentary : Exposed : The Carlyle Group at www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3995.htm. Thank you for involuntarily bringing this to our attention with your failed smear campaign against the Dems. Who's the sheep now?
Discussion 15 : 14/10/2012 at 07:52 PM
If the comments of discussion #1 was so popular to shoot the non convicted MIB. Surely it must also be thought that the alleged crimes of Thaksin were also correct
Discussion 16 : 14/10/2012 at 07:47 PM
Re #43 "Why doesnt AV call for the truth about who assassinated Gen Deang?" Well, frankly, who cares? He was a corrupt mafia figure and a renegade army officer who was reputedly paid $1 million baht per day to train mercenaries to attack his former army colleagues. When they killed Thai soldiers doing their duty, the General became a "dead man walking". There were suggestions though that he was silenced by red factions because he was becoming an embarrassment and not following orders from the boss. Who knows, and who cares? We should be concerned with the innocent victims, not mercenary traitors like him.
Discussion 17 : 14/10/2012 at 07:17 PM
Khunbill Disc.43. I recall a soldier or 2 getting wasted in a drive-by and the first crackdown in early April resulted in retreat, loss of equipment and major loss of face. For Seh Daeng, it was revenge.
Discussion 18 : 14/10/2012 at 07:03 PM
mr.meldrew(D36)My glasses have no tint, there are just too many people sounding off statements of what they claim to be "fact" about this or that, meaning that the "debate", such as it is, goes nowhere. Just more tit-for-tat. One positive has emerged, however: buildings were burned, and innocents protesting against military rule were killed in 1973. Students demonstrating against the return to Thailand of dictators were killed in 1976, and people protesting against military rule were killed in 1992. None of these outrages were properly investigated, and none of those responsible for ordering the violent crack-downs were brought to justice. This time around, things just may be different.
Discussion 19 : 14/10/2012 at 06:45 PM
Seh Daeng was responsible for some soldiers deaths loss of face for some military leaders.It was revenge. If you have pictures and video, they go a long way to support your case. At the time, I recall suggesting the government video everything. Replay and print speeches for everyone to hear.
Discussion 20 : 14/10/2012 at 06:09 PM
No one seriously disputes the existence of the Men in Black? Is the Bangkok Post kidding? I got a slew of emails from a government MP when the TRC report was released furiously denying their existence. That MP's credibility with me is now deeper down the sewer than those BMA sandbags. But not with the Thai Rouge.
Discussion 21 : 14/10/2012 at 06:04 PM
An interview with Sae Daeng on 18 June 2010 http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/newmandala/2010/06/18/translation-of-interview-with-sae-daeng/
Discussion 22 : 14/10/2012 at 05:30 PM
1) MIB were real. 2) UDD encouraged the use of violence. 3) 'First blood' was drawn by MIBs and UDD on April 10th. 4) Abhisit and Dems exhausted every method possible before using lethal force. 5) Thai soldiers are as well-trained as every other Thai profession - unnecessary deaths happened. 6) NO deaths would have happened if UDD had held a peaceful protest. If any Red Shirt apologist wants to deny any of these statements, back it up with proof. Eg 'Early election promise was false.' needs real evidence, not just your feeling or a Red Shirt rumour.
Discussion 23 : 14/10/2012 at 04:54 PM
The situation is quite simple. Thaksin runs the the show, the reds are his supporters and Pue Thai his government. Their objective in 2010 was to overthrow the Abhisit coalition and they were prepared to do whatever they felt necessary to achieve their aim including employing assassins in black shirts who were protected by the reds. Thaksin wanted Abhisit to be brought into disrepute so he told the police not to be involved so the army had to be called. If the military is shot at they are trained to shoot back. If the men in black kill people they can blame it on the military because officially the blacks do not exist. Some consider Thaksin to be clever but clever in Thailand is incompetent in the West. It's all so low level here, even childish.
Discussion 24 : 14/10/2012 at 04:47 PM
And so the carousel goes around. Can it stop for a few minutes while someone asks, publicly, serious questions of those, now in power, who made the flagrant statements of incitement to excited followers to break the law?
Discussion 25 : 14/10/2012 at 04:29 PM
why havent the criminologist on the run,deployed the same tactics, for the suffering thais in the deep south,boxes of dates and doughnuts,dont stop the killing,only police swat teams with 100% shooting records ?
Discussion 26 : 14/10/2012 at 03:34 PM
Make no mistake about it; NOBODY has ever done a very good job trying to catch all of the MIB. Many pictures surfaced of these men. Some videos were publicized too. Their faces were shown! I know of at least two of them who were in the military and working in the south and commissioned they said by a certain ex military officer. Of course there has been plenty of cover up and the turning of one's head as the saying goes. Why? Because they are well connected hit men who are extremely dangerous! Most of them will never be caught just like the case with Khun Sondi.
Discussion 27 : 14/10/2012 at 03:22 PM
It doesn't take much of an effort to find facts about the MIB,their leader and their financier. Youtube will provide enough video evidence if one had any interest in the truth. A google search will provide written evidence. The red commentators on this article should give it a try. However,I do understand why you don't. It would prove,beyond any doubt,what you are.
Discussion 28 : 14/10/2012 at 03:13 PM
Disc. 36 et al. I thought it had been established that Sae Daeng was killed by a police sniper. If this is the case, and as the police seemed to be on inactive service during the whole of the demonstation, I wonder who gave the order.
Discussion 29 : 14/10/2012 at 03:04 PM
If both of them, red and yellow wouldn't continuously produce chaos nobody gets hurt and no problems arise, are this people not capable to do it the civilized way and solve their problems by talking? What this people think they are elected into the parliament for? Also the riot police should be more consequent and tough.
Discussion 30 : 14/10/2012 at 03:01 PM
KhunBJ, what planet are you from? Were you here at the time? Did you see the protests with your own eyes? From what I saw and what I have read in the international press coverage, I agree 100% with everything Abhisit said. (And yes, my wife is a red shirt who took part in the demonstrations.)
Discussion 31 : 14/10/2012 at 02:47 PM
You have to feel sorry for khunbj d.31. So many people disagree with him he gets ticked off (thanks Pete), spits the dummy and calls them sheep. Newsflash! The majority of people participating in this forum, possibly educated, observant, critical thinking commentators who live in Thailand, have valid opinions that cannot be negated by spurious nonsense.
Discussion 32 : 14/10/2012 at 02:24 PM
It is shameless and ignorant how many comments deny the FACTS. But verybody with an open mind can see the truth. It would be interesting to see the red-shirt leaders questioned live on TV about their speeches they gave on their rallies in 2010. But, they are MPs and have immunity and impunity. You cannot fool all the people all the time.
Discussion 33 : 14/10/2012 at 02:08 PM
Why doesnt AV call for the truth about who assassinated Gen Deang? Was that the MIB that did it? Dont think so
Discussion 34 : 14/10/2012 at 01:29 PM
In 1992 under the Suchinda "rule" it were the motorcycle gangs who were blamed for triggering the banglamphu shooting spree,20 years on and after a bloody deja Vu , men in black are to blame. How about Thai reading Thai and admit that the proces of democraty is beyond ego and corruption, thus spurs ordinairy disregarded out classed Thai's in the last resort....bloodshed.
Discussion 35 : 14/10/2012 at 01:08 PM
The answers to the questions for what happen do exist. People on all sides of the issue know who did what. Statements need to be taken under oath and when somebody is discovered to be untruthful, they need to be prosecuted and jailed. The "men in black" did not magically appear and disappear. Who gave the orders for all phases of the crack down is known to somebody. All this delayed investigative effort only serves to allow those responsible for any crimes that were committed to avoid being held responsible through the passing of time. There are known facts about much of the turmoil that started with the coup in 2006, but virtually none of those people responsible have been held accountable.
Discussion 36 : 14/10/2012 at 01:05 PM
Talk is cheap from all. If a reward was to be offered for each name..say! one million baht reward for each name. Then arrest and the truth could be found out! As 'BP' have the guts to start the campaign? I'm sure they have the money, or would there be another reason to to do it?
Discussion 37 : 14/10/2012 at 12:53 PM
He said relatives of the dead soldiers received only 400,000 baht in compensation while the red shirts were getting seven million baht. That is one thing that should without delay be put right...Equal rights for all, knowing that the soldiers were there on behalf of the government, no choice! Reds were there on the own choice!
Discussion 38 : 14/10/2012 at 12:45 PM
Rewriting history, manipulating facts and escaping responsibilities has become a 'democrats' trademark. Since their shameful accusations against Pridi Banomyong in 1947, they have supported every single military coup and authoritarian regime in this country. This being said, I believe PT would have done exactly the same had they been in the dem's shoes. In Thailand, there is only one looser in the political game: the People.
Discussion 39 : 14/10/2012 at 12:38 PM
Discussion 31. Khunbj. You call the people on here sheep but you lap up everything said by the reds. Comparing WMD'S to the men in black is 2 completely different situations and if you can't see that then there is no hope for you. One final question who killed Col Romklao?
Discussion 40 : 14/10/2012 at 12:35 PM
robingrant D32 : incorrect. I never said all deaths were from MIB and that's a fact. Did your red tinted glasses make you read that from my comment? TS did make video call in's supporting and calling on red shirts to make the riots, that's another fact. Red shirt leaders did call on their supporters to burn and kill, another fact. Soldiers and civilians were killed by MIB and that is absolute fact. Can you deny this?
Discussion 41 : 14/10/2012 at 12:24 PM
Disc 11 Is is possible to come and meet you on Mars
Discussion 42 : 14/10/2012 at 12:17 PM
Disc 31 khunbj: Sheep, the majority on this forum? Oh yes? Count the dislikes on your posts - that adds up to a majority. If we are all sheep you must be the tick in the fleece.
Discussion 43 : 14/10/2012 at 12:06 PM
"The Military should have protected the national airports with force" said Khunbj.... The miltary never got the order from Somchai government.
Discussion 44 : 14/10/2012 at 11:13 AM
mr.meldrew:You are recycling Suthep's accusation in June 2011 that all the deaths were caused by "MIB" acting on Thaksin's orders. That's the real problem with this "debate":accusation and counter accusation, based on scraps of often inconclusive evidence, manipulated for political advantage. No wonder we're no nearer to finding out what really happened, and why, but the events of 1973, 1976 and 1992 give us some pointers. Thank goodness for General Prayuth's commonsense statement. He at least is keeping his cool, whilst others lose theirs.
Discussion 45 : 14/10/2012 at 11:09 AM
The majority of people are sheep and this forum just confirms this again and again ..... Bush, Blair helped by the CIA etc fooled the world in the millions with the elusive WMD, photos were shown , satellite images , documents, gathered intelligence, even witness's accords were shown....but there were not any WMD....but this does not prevent some people from still believing WMD were there, but just not found......as with the men in black .....in Bangkok on a daily basis people are murdered by dangerous criminals as anywhere else in the world, that does not justify military intervention, that is police work. The Military should have protected the national airports with force, but failed to do anything...not because it was not their duty but because they did not get the order from the right place !
Discussion 46 : 14/10/2012 at 11:08 AM
Throughout the more than two years of interrogation and research into the events of April-May, it appears to be agreed that there is incontrovertible evidence of so-called 'black shirts'. Is the evidence quantifiable, even in the roughest approximation? Was the number of 'blackshirts', however approximately and in a count backed up by quotable witness, photograph, or video recording a) 2 b) 20 c) 200 d) 2000 If this question cannot be answered we are in the realm of fairies, extra-terrestrial aliens, and abominable snowmen!
Discussion 47 : 14/10/2012 at 11:05 AM
May I suggest to Mr Abhisit that Newcastle Upon Tyne is an excellent place to stay.
Discussion 48 : 14/10/2012 at 11:02 AM
I suppose it was the MIB that assassinated Gen Deang in broad daylight. Why don't you ask for an inquiry on that also AV?
Discussion 49 : 14/10/2012 at 10:57 AM
Still all the red shirts/supporters are in denial mode, and why is that when the Dems hold a rally like this, then it is against reconciliation etc. but the reds do it on a regular basis.
Discussion 50 : 14/10/2012 at 10:50 AM
Discussion 22. Ricefield I see you are still living in complete denial, so no change there.
Discussion 51 : 14/10/2012 at 10:49 AM
The MIB were taking cover in the red shirt camp which is a standard terrorist tactic. The red leadership knew they were there and their denials are just comic book stuff. They along with their financier from far away are ultimately responsible.
Discussion 52 : 14/10/2012 at 10:49 AM
Discussion 11. Why don't you go and tell your fantasy story to Col Romklao's widow and see what response you get.
Discussion 53 : 14/10/2012 at 10:11 AM
Police didn't do their job, they failed totally. What are they good for?
Discussion 54 : 14/10/2012 at 09:47 AM
A new unsubstantiated accusation a day, Mr. Abhisit, is why you are sliding drastically in all the national polls and why you may have to run your biggest gun, Korn, to have a chance at keeping the Bangkok governor position.
Discussion 55 : 14/10/2012 at 09:30 AM
What an absolutely typical red-shirt argument. Simply deny that anything you don't like existed at all. Their answer is to simply lie their way out of difficulty. Their government have openly admitted they do the same. Disgusting.
Discussion 56 : 14/10/2012 at 09:25 AM
johnb D15 : So all them video call in's from TS supporting and calling on red shirts to make the riots that ended up in so many deaths are fake then are they? And the red shirt leaders didn't call on their supporters to burn and kill? Well I'm sorry but I, just like other millions did see the videos and know who was responsible for all the deaths of 2009 and 2010 red shirt riots.
Discussion 57 : 14/10/2012 at 09:20 AM
Let us all look at this picture of a masked and armed MIB mingling with other violent reds....Maybe those who defend the undefendable will call them " Social workers from the red villages" ???? Sad for Thailand to read such lies and denials...
Discussion 58 : 14/10/2012 at 09:15 AM
hangover: MIB shot and bombed army and civilians from the within the crowds of red shirts. That makes red shirt protesters armed. There are dozens of videos of them doing so. So your and others cry of unarmed protesters fails to make reason. Of course the army shot back at armed killers, why shouldn't they?
Discussion 59 : 14/10/2012 at 09:06 AM
The Army Chief is absolutely correct in saying that "....However, he said the information should be verified as the judicial process takes it course instead of being used to trade accusations." I suspect that those using MIB as "weapon of attack" is afraid of the truth that they mismanaged the political protests, even if they did not design/create/deploy the MIB. BTW, snipers were deployed, but not the MIB that was shot. It was the political protesters and the innocents.
Discussion 60 : 14/10/2012 at 08:55 AM
Let us see how many people believe in this AV's latest bid to save his own neck when the Judgement Day certainly comes for him for ordering troops to shoot at unarmed protesters in 2010.
Discussion 61 : 14/10/2012 at 08:51 AM
Dems again trying to score cheap political tricks. They do this kind of thing over & over again and continue to lose at the polls over & over again. Thaksin did this, Thaksin did that, they cry. When will they learn?
Discussion 62 : 14/10/2012 at 08:47 AM
khunbj Discussion 11 : Wrong. The government should have sacked all the police on the spot and installed the army from day 1.
Discussion 63 : 14/10/2012 at 08:42 AM
I agree with Abhisit. There were hired troublemakers, and we all know who orchestrated it.
Discussion 64 : 14/10/2012 at 08:39 AM
Suthep Thaugsuban's tears for the fallen soldiers were understandable, their deaths were tragic and pointless. However, so were all the other deaths, and, for me at least, Suthep's emotions would have been more convincing if he had also invoked the memories of all the victims, particularly the medical staff at Wat Pathumwanaram who, like the soldiers, died in the line of duty. That's the problem with so much of this "debate" which is often hijacked for political purposes, and marked by frequent wild accusations based on no evidence, as typified by the quote from the Democrat MP for Rayong. The sensible comments from General Prayuth are therefore to be welcomed. He sometimes speaks before he thinks, but not on this occasion.
Discussion 65 : 14/10/2012 at 08:15 AM
The MIB were very real and got away, quite literally, with murder, since terrorist actions like this posing among peaceful protestors would have been dealt with far more seriously in most other places in the world.
Discussion 66 : 14/10/2012 at 08:15 AM
Just because someone dons a black dress then that does not make him or her a dangerous terrorist , the "men in black" was created by the coup installed Av government and the CRES and portrayed as a very dangerous opponent that threatened Thailand's security, all media was was reined in to work on this big lie just to justify and facilitate the use of the military and the use of live ammunition against fellow citizens...men in black was exactly as the WMD was for Bush and Blair when attacking Iraq...a poor excuse for using military might. The coup installed government should instead of clinging to power have taken the hint when the thai police would not help them out and have resigned and given way to what the majority wanted, then Thailand would have been in a much better position today.
Discussion 67 : 14/10/2012 at 08:03 AM
The family from a man dead in doing his work got 400.000 Bahts The family from a man dead in trying to burn Bangkok got 7.000.000 Bahts Here is the reconcilition way by the actual government ! No justice, no rule of the law, the democracy for Thailand is still a dream...
Discussion 68 : 14/10/2012 at 07:11 AM
"relatives of the dead soldiers received only 400,000 baht in compensation while the red shirts were getting seven million baht." Soldiers died doing their selfless duty. Red shirts were engaged in self-serving anarchy and terrorism.
Discussion 69 : 14/10/2012 at 06:58 AM
The sister of a fugitive criminal is currently his proxy prime-minister and we are still seriously asking if there were any nefarious forces which may have conspired to put their party in power? Please.
Discussion 70 : 14/10/2012 at 06:46 AM
I think both Democrat and Phue Thai are no different in their action. When Democrat and military in power they use propaganda many time to show that the red shirts are not intelligent, and have terrorists and give every reason to go after them.. I think now they are not in power, now its Phue Thai to tell their version of truth and go after the people that hurt them, so Suthep and Apisit are scared.
Discussion 71 : 14/10/2012 at 06:43 AM
But reds always claim that MIB don't exist and there's no evidence. I guess the video capture of the MIB in the middle of a bunch of red shirts is a huge hoax?
Discussion 72 : 14/10/2012 at 06:38 AM
The only logical conclusion is that the MIB were 'employed' by the UDD/PT/Thaksin leaders, and their sole objective was to ignite a 'people power' overthrow of the AV government, or at the very least, to portray the AV government as brutal and inhumane. Thaksin's very good friend, Seh Daeng was undoubtably the MIB commander. After he was shot the MIB were leaderless and they went amok. If the truth is to be found out about the MIB I would suggest interrogating Thaksin and his top sychophants. Presently the top police and army are Thaksin's hand picked servants, and there's not much chance that any investigation will yield the truth. If Army chief Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha really knows something about who these MIB people are, he should come forward in an honorable manner and tell us.
Discussion 73 : 14/10/2012 at 05:08 AM
It is such a shame that one man puts himself above that of his country. A truly great man would do the opposite. Come on Thaksin, let you ego go and let your country heal and grow.
Discussion 74 : 14/10/2012 at 04:51 AM
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” Mahatma Gandhi
Discussion 75 : 14/10/2012 at 04:18 AM
These Men in Black were nothing more than terrorists, who should be shot on site. So, next time let us do just that, and then we can take a look at their faces later.

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