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Discussion 1 : 17/10/2012 at 11:01 AM

@Disc 42 Bula - Thaksin is welcome in other countries simply because he travels with his numerous diplomatic passports, NOT because he travels with his Thai passport. Many foreign news channels has identified and film MIB with guns, they are not fantasy monsters created by the DEM.

Discussion 2 : 16/10/2012 at 08:53 PM

'Mr Prompong said Thaksin had no knowledge of the men in black and the Democrat Party was attempting to smear him'. Thaksin is so predicable : the closer to the truth the more likely he is to try to stop his critics with whatever threat, just like the old days only this time he literally cannot see this through because he must appear in person. Please come back Thaksin, it will be a pleasure to see you squirm in court. Maybe you could plead another honest mistake ?

Discussion 3 : 16/10/2012 at 07:46 PM

D42@bula Thaksin can return to Thailand at any time as a free man, however once he is on Thai soil which acctually includes Thai embassies overseas he will be arrested as a criminal fugitive which is exactly what he is. Then he will be arraigned on the other outstanding charges against him. He was found guilty in court of one offence and sentenced to 2 years imprisonment but allowed on bail to visit Japan and he gave his word of honout that he would return. This was under a government run by a party of his and his brother in law was the Prime Minister. He of course lied to the court, left the country and skipped his bail, not exactly what an honest, moral and trustworthy man would do. Whether you agreee or disagree that his conviction was political or not is irrelavent as the law was, and still is in place, despite one Democrat government and three, count them, three governments owned by Thaksin Shinawat.

Discussion 4 : 16/10/2012 at 07:00 PM

Why is it that the red-shirts never asked to identify the man who shot Seh Daeng ? I guess Chalerm Y. knows it. Why is the army not blamed for his death ? There is a wall of silence.

Discussion 5 : 16/10/2012 at 05:34 PM

Everyone, locally or overseas, who are implicated by the accusation should have the right to seek legal redress. Thaksin is welcomed by many countries. The 2006 coup disgraced Thailand. Thaksin's convictions and all the investigations were illegal because a coup is an act of treason. Those who financed, supported and staged coup should be charged. Arrangement should be made for him to come back a free man and then anyone who wants to file complains can continue through the legal process.

Discussion 6 : 16/10/2012 at 03:22 PM

One thing for sure, at the intersection of Rama IV and Silom, behind the barricades, the Men in Black were on the red shirts side, their face covered by a scarf. I have pictures that can prove it BK

Discussion 7 : 16/10/2012 at 02:59 PM

Surely it's no coincidence that Sae Daeng, the one man who could answer a lot of questions regarding the MiB, was silenced by an unknown hand during the riots.

Discussion 8 : 16/10/2012 at 01:32 PM

Absolutely no sign of double standards here. Don't you realise that the Boss far away is never wrong. If in doubt, refer to Discussion 29, as that says it how it is.

Discussion 9 : 16/10/2012 at 11:34 AM

There are at least two men in black already fully identified. This is a former actor who had many row with Jatuporn, and a red shirts guard. There were recognized from the photos and videos of their eyes(with weapons in the hands). The red shirts, the police, the DSI, the press, and Thaksin know perfectly their names. The men in black during the red shirts protests were deep partners. If the red shirts witnesses decline to testify, that means that they are accomplice of the men in black (or they are afraid of reprisals or of the red police)!

Discussion 10 : 16/10/2012 at 10:34 AM

And the fight goes on….The good news that TS as the plaintiff has to appear in court at least one time in person and than……..?

Discussion 11 : 16/10/2012 at 10:29 AM

Democrat Party statements down to the level of kid's!!!

Discussion 12 : 16/10/2012 at 10:09 AM

The problem is, you can't sue anyone if you have an outstanding arrest warrant hanging over your head. The entire situaiton surrounding Mr. Thaksin, has become a "dog and pony show," where it's status-quo to blame everything on Mr. Thaksin.

Discussion 13 : 16/10/2012 at 10:05 AM

Was Ratchprasong for Thaksin .Yes Did he bankroll it hoping to topple the governemnt ?Yes Did he turn down an early election ? Yes Did Seh Daeng who led the military style defense of the UDD visit Thaksin many times shortly beofre the protest ?Yes Did the MIB use their own pocket money to pay for bullets and RPGs ? No Did UDD leaders receive yens of millions of baht for the protest ?Yes Thaksin smears his own life on a daily basis .No need to worry about anyone else doing it for him .

Discussion 14 : 16/10/2012 at 09:48 AM

thailand one big soap opra

Discussion 15 : 16/10/2012 at 09:32 AM

Perhaps this should prompt a review of the excessively restrictive Thai defamation laws where even a defence of 'only telling the truth' may not always be enough.

Discussion 16 : 16/10/2012 at 09:26 AM

Meanwhile, Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Nattawut Saikuar yesterday challenged the Democrat Party to provide facts about the men in black. Well pot calling the kettel black! I am sure Nattawut could give plenty of evidence about the Men In Black.

Discussion 17 : 16/10/2012 at 09:21 AM

Red/UDD leaders and PTP leaders (supporters of Red/UDD) have to disclose who are the Men In Black. So many photos and videos show existence of these Men In Black inside the Red/UDD demonstrations, Tjat's absolutly sure the UDD leaders were involved with Men In Black . UDD and PTP could not escape to explain this matter to public. Their silence stops all reconciliation !!!

Discussion 18 : 16/10/2012 at 09:10 AM

I think the members of the Democrat party should see this lawsuit in a positive light. Maybe finally the subject of the Man in Black will be in the courts. So hopefully there will be witnesses who describe what they saw and pictures and videos of the MiB in action. I like to see especially one witness who always claims he is innocent and who others accuse of organizing and financing the terrorists who burned down Bangkok. Will this witness show up in the Thai court and will he be questioned under oath about his involvement? If he has nothing to hide then he will show and tell the truth. And if he does not show…

Discussion 19 : 16/10/2012 at 08:31 AM

How can anyone defame a man whose reputation is already in the toilet?

Discussion 20 : 16/10/2012 at 08:09 AM

D8 : Renaissance Could not agree more ....that is exactly what AV and CRES did in 2010 to justify military intervention and they have been doing it ever since....exactly as Bush and Blair used the WMD and fooled the gullible people again and again.

Discussion 21 : 16/10/2012 at 08:03 AM

'Thaksin to sue over men in black row' Someone please give this man some cheese to go with his whine.

Discussion 22 : 16/10/2012 at 07:59 AM

Finally I figured out why Thaksin starts all these frivolous lawsuits. Till now when anyone mentions “the criminal fugitive” everybody knows who we are talking about. And even Thaksin must feel a little ashamed that everybody knows who “the criminal fugitive” is without mentioning his name or any other description. So if Thaksin wants to change this there are only two options: a) He can come back to Thailand and face his prison sentence and all the other lawsuits like a man b) He needs other “criminal fugitives” so that he can use the typical red argument: the others also did this and that... We all know that Thaksin is a coward so he won’t go for option a. And the only way to create more “criminal fugitives” is to file lawsuits left and right and hope that some of the accused feel intimidated and flee the country – just like coward Thaksin. I almost feel pity for him – almost.

Discussion 23 : 16/10/2012 at 07:58 AM

1. Thaksin has 6 arrest warrants pending. He needs to catch every single opportunity to equalize this at least with lawsuits (as he will never be able to get arrest warrants issued against the Dems because the Dems are here and go to court when they are invited to do so - something mushashis should think about when trying to figure out who is somehow clean and who's not). 2. Thaksin calling for the courts to get justice is schizophrenic when the courts called him 6 times already. 3. He just keeps doing what he has always been doing: pay people to do something for him. That's all he can do, given that nothing goes as he planned it. 4. For the mushashis and alike who think that the Dems are fading into irrelevance. They successfully prevented Thaksin getting his way and hopefully continue to be successfull in keeping Phuea Thai somehow within the legal framework. Imagine what Thailand would be today without the Dems opposition.

Discussion 24 : 16/10/2012 at 07:56 AM

I guess when in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, when the denial strategy is not working, then the very system you don't support (the legal system) especially when it goes against you is the only option.

Discussion 25 : 16/10/2012 at 07:49 AM

AFAIR at some stage in the court the plaintiff has to be there and prove defamation to the satisfaction of the court, so come back to Thailand Thaksin and prove to the whole world that you are man enough to stand in court and face the Democrats. Another odd thing that struck me was this has just blown up at the time the Foreign Ministry has to justify or not the issuance of a passport to the same person, a convicted fugitive from justice who has also screamed his innocence far and wide but not in a court in Thailand. After all they way everything is stacked it should be easy.

Discussion 26 : 16/10/2012 at 07:48 AM

Wonder any of the men in "Black" got shot. If any of the "Black" man has been shot, then the identity can be used to trace to their associates. If none of the "Black" was shot, the question is why. If the Abhisit's government was so clear and confident that the "Black" was the group creating the chaos, the then government should had acted against the "Black" group. Pointless at this stage to express your confidence that the "Black" was the troublemakers. Khun Abhisit, please justify your cause by giving us just one small evidence.

Discussion 27 : 16/10/2012 at 07:45 AM

"If the Democrats continue to organise such rallies, this will only turn the public against Thaksin and Pheu Thai," Well it's called politics Mr Thaksin. 555555

Discussion 28 : 16/10/2012 at 07:34 AM

It's all a political maneuver for sure. Thai politicians sue or threaten to sue all of the time. TS needs to be more thick skinned. I support freedom of speech countered by more freedom of speech & with the people, not the courts, deciding, mostly through democratically held elections.

Discussion 29 : 16/10/2012 at 07:29 AM

'The ruling Pheu Thai Party and the opposition Democrats should have a public debate about the so-called men in black so the public can decide whose side of the story is accurate'. We have already had a public debate - the position of boths sides is well known. I suspect the public has already decided what it believes - so more talk is unnecessary. What is required is completion of impartial investigations into all the deaths and injuries that occurred. However when a minister of the government, which should be seeking to safeguard impartiality, in fact is clearly biased to one point of view there is no hope for truth - and without that no reconciliation

Discussion 30 : 16/10/2012 at 07:28 AM

I will attend the rally just to see the evidence. I will not believe anything before having information from both side. from iPhone application.

Discussion 31 : 16/10/2012 at 07:17 AM

So far I have seen no verbatim report as to what the Democrats being sued are alleged to have said - so it is impossible to judge whether what they said and more important how they said it qualifies as defamation - lets leave that to the courts if it ever gets that far. BTW Defamation suits have historically seemed to be a favoured weapon from Khun Thaksin to shut up what to seemed to be normal criticism and enquiry - sadly he does not seem to have changed

Discussion 32 : 16/10/2012 at 07:12 AM

Shouldn't Thaksin come back and file his own law suite? Why is he against the courts when they rule against him but will ask the courts to fight his battles for him? He reminds me of a spoil child who cries when he cannot get his way.

Discussion 33 : 16/10/2012 at 07:12 AM

“Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra plans to file a defamation lawsuit against key members of the Democrat Party for accusing him of pulling strings behind the men in black”. He’s been pulling the strings for quite some time now and they have become somewhat knotted. If this ever does get to court, which I doubt, untying the knots may well be a task beyond his capabilities as he has shown he does not believe in the justice system. By filing a lawsuit, maybe he has changed his mind and if so he will have to untie these knots in a prison cell. Justice must be equal to all. You cannot pardon a crook so he can sue people much more honourable than himself.

Discussion 34 : 16/10/2012 at 07:07 AM

This Dems staging is certainly a desperate toss of the dice to try arose the masses and try gain more sympathy and support. Their plan certainly backfired big time. Only 2,000 turned up turned up to listen and half were regulars joggers and the likes. Glaring absence were the Yellow and Multi- Coloured groups which see that as a waste of time. The road show along major strong Dems route garnered few interests. Yes there were men in black in the midst but linking them to UDD who has numerous times in recorded speech disclaimed them, need evidence, not stage accusation. They deserved to be sued for a poorly thought out plan.

Discussion 35 : 16/10/2012 at 06:39 AM

No convicted person should be allowed to file a law suit, while avoiding to serve his jail time. And this means every person regardless of name, pösition and connections. So, go to jail first and then feel free to file law suits.

Discussion 36 : 16/10/2012 at 06:17 AM

The Dem's keep shooting themselves in the foot....the Court case will show that they are just rumor mongers and after they will have lost even more confidence from the Thai people...The Dems should get over their sickening obsession with Thaksin and do something constructive for a change...but maybe they don't dare as this subject seem to be the only issue that keep them together, beside from the nationalistic issues of course.

Discussion 37 : 16/10/2012 at 06:14 AM

The 'proof' the Dems claim to have on this is a joke. Not even a yellow leaning court would be able to push this one through.

Discussion 38 : 16/10/2012 at 06:10 AM

If you tell yourself a lie enough times, you eventually think it is the truth. Thaksin now probably thinks that the Men in Black appeared out of nowhere to make the Red Shirts look bad. It's strange that he did not complain at the time.

Discussion 39 : 16/10/2012 at 05:48 AM

reconciliation is the fad tool of political bickering and infighting for one reason only, power and money. All of Thailand except for the privileged few with their happy offshore bank managers do not need any reconciling. In 2 years the Thai people have moved on and want to progress happily with their lives. All this wasted energy would be better channeled into stopping Thailand going down the toilet and reestablishing it once more as the land of smiles in the eyes of foreigners. Just think of all the extra tourist dollars and even more happy Thai people working in an expanding service industry..... If only.

Discussion 40 : 16/10/2012 at 05:21 AM

If the fugitive from the law wants the protection of the law let him first come home and show his respect for the law by doing his time. Under the current circumstances his appeal to law is the upmost in hypocrisy.

Discussion 41 : 16/10/2012 at 05:18 AM

Consider the events between 2009 and 2010, the Peua Thai and their allies conducted a very obvious campaign to distract Abhisit and discredit his govt. The siege of Ratchaprasong was a deliberate attempt to force the Democrat lead govt to call in the army and spill blood, forcing their resignation. The UDD organised it, Peua Thai tacitly supported it, their allies financed it and Thaksin encouraged it through video addresses. Given how the entire leadership of the ruling clique now have to defer to Thaksin on everything, how could he not have been involved and informed of everything that went on, including an armed militia run by Seh Daeng who openly boasted about his ties with Thaksin.

Discussion 42 : 16/10/2012 at 05:00 AM

I am not sure what is funnier,althou both deserve credit this article with thaksin and all his talk or his #1-3 puppetts with their usual talk ...but running a real close second is Disc #1 Thank all of you for my morning laugh

Discussion 43 : 16/10/2012 at 04:46 AM

I have to believe Thaksin on this one. The Dems appear to be desperate. They're losing in the polls so naturally they launch a smear campaign on Thaksin. The problem is that there is no evidence of an organized armed militia paid by Thaksin operating in the midst of the Red Shirts. If there was then the Dems would have produced it long ago. All they've produced is a few grainy photos and videos of men wearing black shirts. Heck, I sometimes wear a black shirt and I'm not an armed militant paid by Thaksin... or am I?

Discussion 44 : 16/10/2012 at 03:56 AM

This Thaksin circus is getting weirder by the day. Why does such a beautiful country give one man so much attention don't they see they are only further bloating his massive ego. Why cant they ignore him.

Discussion 45 : 16/10/2012 at 03:48 AM

Thaksin to sue in court those who try to smear him!? What a joke. Firstly he needs no help ‘smearing ‘himself. And secondly he has repeatedly shown that he has no regard or respect for the court system.

Discussion 46 : 16/10/2012 at 03:42 AM

Well, I think Thaksin created a followers who benefits from his enormous wealth. He encourages his mentors to take violent act against the government. That resulted in MIB(men in black) shown live on TV mingling with MIR(men in red) demonstration at Siyak-Kokwua, I saw some of them cover up CCTV camera for their bad deed. We should get to the bottom of this MIB people so that the reconciliation could progress as it should be. DSI's boss Tharit Pengdit should emphasize on this matter, otherwise the integrity and reputation of the DSI is greyish indeed. MIB is the by product of Thaksin encouragement.