PT tells Suthep to drop 'unconstitutional' plan

Suthep Thaugsuban's proposal for a royally-bestowed prime minister is impossible to put into practice, Pheu Thai Party leader Charupong Ruangsuwan has claimed.

Mr Charupong, who is also the interior minister, said Section 7 of the constitution cannot be invoked as proposed by People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) leader Suthep because Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is still in her post and has not done anything wrong.

As it stands, the government can at most dissolve the House of Representatives and call a snap election, he said.

The Pheu Thai leader said political fights must be settled through policies, practical achievements, principles and reasoning. "Losers in elections can't simply deny the results. Parliament should be used as the venue for talks. Disagreements can be settled by votes," he added.

"I would like the opposition and Mr Suthep to come for talks, but they should listen to the voice of the majority otherwise there will be arguments.

"They should have the good spirit to accept the different opinions of the people's representatives. We have to listen to the people. Differences of opinion must be decided by vote. The minority should accept this truth with respect for one another," Mr Charupong said.

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul called on PDRC leader Suthep to surrender if he wants to discuss his plans for a "people's council" with the government.

Mr Surapong, who is in charge of the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order (CAPO), said Mr Suthep must hand himself in to face rebellion charges in order to hold talks with the government on his ideas.

Officials would be breaching Section 114 of the Criminal Code and liable to between three to 15 years in jail if they talked to Mr Suthep while he is still wanted under an arrest warrant, said Mr Surapong.

Mr Surapong added that Mr Suthep's demand that a royally-bestowed prime minster be drafted in under Section 7 of the charter is unconstitutional.

"Mr Suthep's proposal is a figment of his imagination. He is sick and should see a doctor. He may have been under too much pressure from legal cases and the arrest warrant against him, causing his thinking to become abnormal," he said.

"We are glad to listen to his proposals regarding Sections 3 and 7, as long as they are within the scope of democracy and the constitution."

Section 3 says sovereign power belongs to the Thai people, and the King as Head of State shall exercise such power through parliament, cabinet ministers and the courts in accordance with the provisions of the constitution.

Suriyasai Katasila, coordinator of the Green Politics Group, said he believed that the PDRC's proposals concerning Sections 3 and 7 of the charter could reduce the risk of civil war in the country.

"The proposals follow the principles of non-violence and the reforms would benefit everyone, not just certain groups.

"When people say that the country has not yet reached a political dead-end, they just want to protect their political advantage without taking the adverse impact on society into account," Mr Suriyasai said.

He warned Prime Minister Yingluck not to prolong the current "political game", because a government that lacks legitimacy cannot engender confidence or expect acceptance from others, even if it is democratically elected.

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Discussion 1 : 05/12/2013 at 07:55 PM
Demagogue: all the countries you mention never were and never are democracies. Just having people vote is not yet a democracy; Thailand is at least 50 % above those you mentioned
Discussion 2 : 05/12/2013 at 11:19 AM
Zimababwe. Elections. Sudan. Elections. Syria. Elections. Cambodia. Elections. I don't need to elaborate. Thank you. I rest my case.
Discussion 3 : 05/12/2013 at 10:36 AM
The "small majority" was 47% of the votes, far more than the Democrats got but well short of a majority.
Discussion 4 : 05/12/2013 at 10:28 AM
The concept that undemocratic action can fix Thailand problems is flawed.
Discussion 5 : 05/12/2013 at 10:20 AM
Before we can adopt Khun Suthep proposal it must be put to a referendum. My guess is that answer would be no but that does not mean the current situation is acceptable. This has gone beyond the minority not accepting elections results. The fact is the amnesty vote, subsequent broad based protest and Senate vote (with the PM encouragement) shows that PT and its coalition parties in the House failed completely to reflect the will of the people. The correct answer to that is house dissolution. Time to stop the games (on both sides) and go back to the people under the Constitution in an election. The sooner the better
Discussion 6 : 05/12/2013 at 09:35 AM
This is so funny…the government using the word "unconstitutional"….. you've put a smile on my face thanks BP
Discussion 7 : 05/12/2013 at 09:14 AM
Suthep may indeed be running on empty at the moment but Surapong's words, "Mr Suthep's proposal is a figment of his imagination. He is sick and should see a doctor. He may have been under too much pressure from legal cases and the arrest warrant against him, causing his thinking... " are not the most competent either. Please credit and share this article with others using this link:http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/383189/suthep-told-to-drop-unconstitutional-plan. View our policies at http://goo.gl/9HgTd and http://goo.gl/ou6Ip. © Post Publishing PCL. All rights reserve
Discussion 8 : 05/12/2013 at 09:01 AM
Take a look around the rest of the world and see how many corrupt governments keep hold of power for many years. There's one right next door. These governments belong in ancient history and it usually takes action by the people to break their hold. Exactly what is going on here - though those with their own vested interests will deny it.
Discussion 9 : 05/12/2013 at 08:53 AM
Some of you may argue that she has done nothing wrong but I would argue she has done nothing right. Thaksin himself said that she was his Clone [puppet ] that in it's self should of disqualified her from holding any political office. Dodging every contentious issue whilst being PM will not absolve her from being blameworthy.
Discussion 10 : 05/12/2013 at 08:50 AM
"Could it be that he is a sore loser, a power hungry elitist, a man obsessed with hatred and devoid of empathy." That can equally be applied to someone else who immediately comes to mind.
Discussion 11 : 05/12/2013 at 08:44 AM
Suthep, the skeleton in the Democrats closet.
Discussion 12 : 05/12/2013 at 08:38 AM
Dems need a better strategy. This one has failed before several times. 5m baht a day is being spent to support these protests. They should channel that money into a more productive strategy. If they want to defeat Taksin then they need to go for his support base. The root cause is that the Isaan folk are "uneducated", selling their vote for a few hundred baht and populist policies ? So why don't you spend you millions of baht educating them as to how Taksin's flawed policies will ultimately make them poorer and how your ethical, sustainable policies will improve their lot ? Unless you don't have better policies ? You should do
Discussion 13 : 05/12/2013 at 08:37 AM
Now where did I read that this scheme is now mostly subsidised by medical tourism? What will happen if this stopped?
Discussion 14 : 05/12/2013 at 08:19 AM
"Losers in elections can't simply deny the results. Parliament should be used as the venue for talks. Disagreements can be settled by votes," Amazing how educated people could disagree with this.
Discussion 15 : 05/12/2013 at 08:17 AM
Officials would be breaching Section 114 of the Criminal Code and liable to between three to 15 years in jail if they talked to Mr Suthep while he is still wanted under an arrest warrant, said Mr Surapong. Nonsense, he spoke with the prime minister and military leaders and they are still walking freely around.
Discussion 16 : 05/12/2013 at 08:12 AM
Khun Churapong says, "Losers in elections can not simply deny the results...". Well, two things come to mind. 'the results can not simply deny the losers in elections.' and 'Losers in Court verdicts can not simply deny the results.". Selective application of the rule of law will be PT's downfall. In a democracy, rule of law must be applied equally. from iPhone application.
Discussion 17 : 05/12/2013 at 07:43 AM
I don't think we have political crisis. Political solutions were introduced, but people disguised behind the mask of righteousness, wanted to continue their power and control through unconstitutional route. They created a perception of electoral, parliamentary, and judiciary fraud. No reform will ever succeed if we are not persistent and consistent in the administration and enforcement of rule of law equally without fear and favor. We have a crisis on the administration and enforcement of rule of law. Freedoms of speech and media have gone into distortion, untruth, smear, defamation, spreading of rumour, lies with impunity.
Discussion 18 : 05/12/2013 at 07:34 AM
Suthep is bad for Thailand arrest him for attempting a coup
Discussion 19 : 05/12/2013 at 07:23 AM
@Demagogue : The World Health Organization associated with economists, other international organizations and independent research groups on health systems , conducted a study highlighting of the benefits of universal access program medical of Thaksin has stated that although the Thai program was far from perfect , it would promote in the world starting in 2012 , especially from developing countries. "We will show, in meetings where world leaders are present, that this scheme is a form of investment for economic and social development of a country," announced Dr. Maureen Birmingham. So the whole world is wrong except you and other PT haters ?
Discussion 20 : 05/12/2013 at 07:19 AM
Berto You could make Thailand if not corruption free then significantly less corrupt. Try the principle of ALL people obeying the law with NO exceptions. Proper enforcement of the law with NO exceptions. Honesty, total transparency, high moral standards. You know, all the things that Thais only pay lip service to.
Discussion 21 : 05/12/2013 at 07:15 AM
I see again you get Suthep mixed up with Thaksin. Thaksin is the one that wants to turn Thailand into NK. He works just like them. Keeps his people poor and under control. Aka Red Shirts
Discussion 22 : 05/12/2013 at 05:22 AM
Yep, they are. Just look at that disaster of the 30 baht health care scheme. The poor voted for that, BUT hospitals closed down due to bankruptcy, others stopped being profitable this services suffered and doctors were redundant, the poor had to travel further for medical treatment for a worse service and preference was given anyway to people with money.
Discussion 23 : 05/12/2013 at 04:06 AM
I am convinced Suthep and other ultra - Dem would be willing to work together to craft - something that would be a step in the right direction, but that these Suthep have been hijacked be their extreme's in to playing a dangerous game that makes us the laughing stock of the world and a place where no one will want to do business
Discussion 24 : 05/12/2013 at 03:52 AM
Whatever would work for Thailand, I guess. Forget Democracy!
Discussion 25 : 05/12/2013 at 03:30 AM
The favoured saying of the corrupt and disgraceful in Thai politics.... "not done anything wrong." PT is nothing more than a collection of sycophants and incompetents doing the bidding of the man in Dubai and now the main Opposition party has descended into crazy schemes to "save" Thailand.The only losers,as usual, are the people who work and pay the taxes squandered by all of the above.
Discussion 26 : 05/12/2013 at 03:25 AM
Surely, under section 114, YS and the military chiefs should be arrested as they held a meeting with Suthep last week whilst he is under an arrest warrant.
Discussion 27 : 05/12/2013 at 02:36 AM
I must have missed this plan when it was announced when Suthep was Deputy PM. Why did he not try to get it passéd then??? Could it be that he is a sore loser, a power hungry elitist, a man obsessed with hatred and devoid of empathy
Discussion 28 : 05/12/2013 at 02:17 AM
Many Phua Thai supporters showing their allegiance here today talking about majorities. They only 'won' a small majority because of village headmen and local MPs handing over 'envelopes' after sundown. That's what makes them and will unfortunately continue to keep them 'popular', certainly not their policies.
Discussion 29 : 05/12/2013 at 01:17 AM
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill
Discussion 30 : 05/12/2013 at 12:08 AM
Pay no attention to the thumbs down numbers. It's a red shirt invasion of the English comments.
Discussion 31 : 04/12/2013 at 11:24 PM
PT - you have not done any mistake, really? Oh yes, I forgot that you guys had told people beforehand that you would not accept any decision by the Constitution Court. So you are still clean. You can still go back and read the verdicts that helped all Thai people understood what you guys have done.
Discussion 32 : 04/12/2013 at 11:11 PM
You still don't get it. Thai people loves this "Dubai criminal" for what he did for them. This conviction was a fake, everybody knows that, So if they ca not get him, they go for his sister. Accept your loss and get a livve.
Discussion 33 : 04/12/2013 at 10:59 PM
It is time for people to see that Thaksin did more good for the people then his opponents want us to believe. Why everybody votes for him and his sister? The elite tells us: the voters are dumb and uneducated. But they are not as stupid as you think.
Discussion 34 : 04/12/2013 at 10:47 PM
Great Suriyasai K agree with Suterp. He should coming as ex-PAD and secretary general of the New Politics Party. In fact why even bother to ask him.
Discussion 35 : 04/12/2013 at 10:45 PM
yes, although many red shorts were disenchanted with the PTP and rifts were starting to appear, this protest has reunited them and brought many back int the fold. Rather counter productive for everybody. For the deems because the have strengthened red shit resolve and for the red shirts because they need t detach themselves form PTP and TS.
Discussion 36 : 04/12/2013 at 10:44 PM
If Issan wants leadership so badly why cant they find one of their own instead of relying on a billionaire hiding in Dubai to give them handouts making them like beggars instead of finding real solutions to their problems that enable them .
Discussion 37 : 04/12/2013 at 10:40 PM
How do you know Suthep has such massive resources?
Discussion 38 : 04/12/2013 at 10:40 PM
Agree with Berto. Surapong is correct. Suthep should be sent to the Mental Health Center. Every one is corrupted including Suthep and Abhisit. Why blame others, should blame yourself first. The root of the problem is not Thaksin...it is the coup mongers. They knew that they can not compete TS and win the hearts of the majority so they overthrown TS and handed over the power to Abhisit and Suthep. Now they know that they can not compete PT again so they want to turn around tryng to make Thailand a dictatorship nation so they can have total control of the country and rule it for life. This is not the way it should be for today's society.
Discussion 39 : 04/12/2013 at 10:18 PM
I think you finally got it. It is Taksin the hero for the poor farmers against the rich establishment represented by the Dem Party. Why didn't the Dem think of this before as the majority of the voters are poor like the farmers.
Discussion 40 : 04/12/2013 at 09:45 PM
Google the Thai Constitution. It is translated into English
Discussion 41 : 04/12/2013 at 09:30 PM
I see Yingluck is standing in front of the TV cameras saying Pheu-Thai will do anything to resolve the situation while Surapong is telling Suthep to hand himself in and talk from a prison cell. What a complete joke they are : total hypocrites. Everyone should note how taking Thaksin out of the equation is never mentioned as an option : it's the last thing he will ever do which is why any negotiations cannot succeed without being supervised by the army..
Discussion 42 : 04/12/2013 at 09:07 PM
This battle between one man whom the entire government, and more than half of the parliament report to and the frustrated, deeply angry middle class is far from over. A few days' pause will give both sides the needed respite to examine their war chests and think about how best to deploy them in the coming days, weeks or even months. Forget about democratic principles or the constitutional process both sides are claiming they stick to. It's just for show. At the heart of it all it's a war between "The Man" with massive human and monetary resources and the middle class who have long been ignored by him.
Discussion 43 : 04/12/2013 at 09:00 PM
The voters in the next election will decide if the Shinawatra Govt. worked for the people..........They have proven that they did, and were re-elected as a result . This is the root of the argument. They didn't work for the people otherwise that would have translated into a broad spectrum of the population. They worked (or manipulated) the narrow supporter base called the farmers which happen to be the majority. So to manipulate a narrow supporter base is called a dictatorship. So when people say they are the majority. That is really a badge of shame, not something to be proud of.
Discussion 44 : 04/12/2013 at 08:26 PM
This is a choice assessment by Surapong. "He is sick and should see a doctor. He may have been under too much pressure from legal cases and the arrest warrant against him, causing his thinking to become abnormal," Brilliant!
Discussion 45 : 04/12/2013 at 08:23 PM
BP, it woul be good journalism if you inform your readers what is written in Sect 7 of the constitution. Just print it for everybody to read. Thanks.
Discussion 46 : 04/12/2013 at 08:19 PM
After the cancellation of the Amnesty bill, the DEM's popularity has increased... But it seems Suthep did everything to down it... That's very pity !!! Politic is not Utopia or emotion, politic need fundamental basis... The shinawatra clan could become stronger, that will be horrible !!!
Discussion 47 : 04/12/2013 at 08:18 PM
Oh dear, the Pheua Thaksin VIPs still don't want to accept responsibilities for their action. Why should they? They have been elected so can do whatever they want up to the next election, right? The only guy with a disturbed mind here is you Surapong. Maybe you should once look into a mirror.
Discussion 48 : 04/12/2013 at 08:03 PM
"If the Shinawatra government would truly work for the people then there wouldn’t be any demonstrators on the street"........The voters in the next election will decide if the Shinawatra Govt. worked for the people..........They have proven that they did, and were re-elected as a result....This notion of demonstrators being in the street because of the Govt insufficiency is spin....Self-serving Coup-mongers would be in the street even if the Govt. was "the mother of all heavenly hosts".. Elections are not their path to power.
Discussion 49 : 04/12/2013 at 07:58 PM
If true she has done nothing, she cannot have done anything wrong and therefore demanding the government be toppled cannot be base on "she has not done anything".
Discussion 50 : 04/12/2013 at 07:55 PM
i think you are interpreting section 7 on a whim: It states: "Whenever no provision of this Constitution is applicable to any case, it shall be decided...in accordance with the Constitutional practice in the democratic regime of government with the King as Head of the State."
Discussion 51 : 04/12/2013 at 07:46 PM
It will be interesting to see how many people turn out for Suthep after this half-time break. Will the anti-Thaksin sentiment be as strong after the protestors read about Suthep's so-called People's Council? The council that wants to turn Thailand into another version of the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea?
Discussion 52 : 04/12/2013 at 07:44 PM
"Funny how everything against the PT is suddenly "unconstitutional", yet they choose to treat the constitutional court with complete contempt.
Discussion 53 : 04/12/2013 at 07:43 PM
Mr Surapong said 'Officials would be breaching Section 114 of the Criminal Code and liable to between three to 15 years in jail if they talked to Mr Suthep " So does that code apply to all the existing government members under instructions from the Dubai Criminal ?
Discussion 54 : 04/12/2013 at 07:42 PM
The only characteristic of democracy PT adher to is the ballot box even when it becomes inconsequential to the outcome. Characteristics such as majority rule and individual rights. PT fail. Equal protection under law for all. PT fail. Committed to tolerance and compromise. PT fail. Freedom of speech. I hear silence. Pun intended.But there was an election. So the above is irrelevant apparently. LOL
Discussion 55 : 04/12/2013 at 07:40 PM
Yes she has. She has been a drain on tax payers dollars because she is getting paid as a PM but doing the job of a foreign minister and that is a stretch.
Discussion 56 : 04/12/2013 at 07:33 PM
"Fascism is a union of monopoly corporations and repressive, invasive government, designed to entrench a few wealthy families in eternal power (sound familiar?), their coffers filled with goods stolen from other, more helpless peoples in farflung foreign lands." "Dehumanize the attacked party by labeling and name calling." The PTP are doing thing by the book, both the meaning of Fascism, and the Language of spin.
Discussion 57 : 04/12/2013 at 07:28 PM
Mr Surapong Mr. Suthep said Officials would be breaching Section 114 of the Criminal Code and liable to between three to 15 years in jail if they talked to Mr Suthep while he is still wanted under an arrest warrant. Now this is strange why he is not in jail then after meeting and talking to TS a convict on the run from jail time.
Discussion 58 : 04/12/2013 at 07:25 PM
Berto, you have the same message, other people are corrupt so why shouldn't we be corrupt, or those people steal so why shouldn't we steal.
Discussion 59 : 04/12/2013 at 07:12 PM
How can you possibly make Thailand corruption free zone? Don't single out Thaksin. Make a research about Mr. Suthep in particular and other public servants from ordinary worker, to police, to military, up to the administration. I believe it's already in the culture and practiced always.
Discussion 60 : 04/12/2013 at 07:09 PM
"Officials would be breaching Section 114 of the Criminal Code and liable to between three to 15 years in jail if they talked to Mr Suthep while he is still wanted under an arrest warrant, said Mr Surapong" - That is a figment of imagination. Go and arrest all those who have been interviewing or talking to Suthep and see how people would laugh at you.
Discussion 61 : 04/12/2013 at 07:08 PM
Sorry to say, but: 1) you cannot eradicate the “Taksinism”, because you cannot eradicate an idea, even by a coup or a dictatorship. 2) It is not useful to modify the constitution to do it, because the current one has not been written by Taksin or Puai Thai but by the army who is closed to the idea of DP. If you want “try something different”, launch a new political party, not far from the DP, but respecting and taking in account the poor workers and farmers.
Discussion 62 : 04/12/2013 at 07:06 PM
It seems PT is back to normal: blaming everything on others and they don’t even think for a minute about their own disgusting behavior. If the Shinawatra government would truly work for the people then there wouldn’t be any demonstrators on the street. And I hope all people who talked to the criminal fugitive Thaksin over the last years will be arrested right away for at least 3 years of jail.
Discussion 63 : 04/12/2013 at 07:00 PM
PT always quotes the law when it benefits them, however, you never hear PT quote the law in cases of corruption, mismanagement or other wrong doings. In the west we call these people who do this hypocrites and they have zero credibility. Either be a law abiding govt that serves the people or get out. If you feel govt is for ripping off the Thai people through massive corruption and poor PISA scores due to lack of educational investment, the Thai people have had enough
Discussion 64 : 04/12/2013 at 06:59 PM
"...a government that lacks legitimacy cannot engender confidence or expect acceptance from others, even if it is democratically elected"..........The voters in the next election will decide if the Govt. has legitimacy, engenders confidence and is accepted by others"......These coup-mongers will not decide that on behalf of the millions who will be voting.....This is coup-monger talk, for the sake of coup-mongering - LOL.
Discussion 65 : 04/12/2013 at 06:51 PM
Charupong is correct on one point. The PM has done nothing wrong. The real problem is that the PM has done nothing at all.
Discussion 66 : 04/12/2013 at 06:49 PM
So section 114 also applies to all the PT members who have talked to or communicated with the man in Dubai-so they are all liable to 3-15 years imprisonment
Discussion 67 : 04/12/2013 at 06:44 PM
Mr. Surapong should be more careful with his choice of words as it could spur Suthep,( Surapong's words), on to even more " abnormal" thinking. Further, if Surapong believes what he said why would he offer to listen to such a person ? Reading these type comments from supposed diplomats causes one to wonder who are the sick ones. An amendment, and it maybe time, can make at least some of Suthep's suggestions possible,
Discussion 68 : 04/12/2013 at 06:44 PM
Section 7 can be invoked if the legitimacy of this government is no longer there. Have their conducts on the blanket amnesty bill and denial of the authority of Constitutional Court deserved this invocation? The anti-corruption agency is also due to come out with many rulings against the party. The situation is not that pretty.
Discussion 69 : 04/12/2013 at 06:33 PM
- "the PDRC's proposals concerning Sections 3 and 7 of the charter could reduce the risk of civil war in the country" The is no PDRC...you cannot just invent something and imagine it has any substance. Falsely imagining this though could lead to civil war.
Discussion 70 : 04/12/2013 at 06:32 PM
It has been shown that Thaksinocracy does not work. Time to try something different so start by making Thailand a corruption free zone.
Discussion 71 : 04/12/2013 at 06:27 PM
"expect acceptance from others, even if it is democratically elected." Indeed, but we passed that point a while ago. Back to normal is no more an option.

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